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| And they were being made before Agar came in.
Human errors, if its coaching then I'd argue JK made the same mistakes.
Some of this is just players under performing en masse.
Of we drop everyone who was pants at HKR and everyone who's been pants today, we haven't a squad for next week.
Sorry the players need to watch these performances and put their hands up.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Can't blame agar for pro RL players defending like this!!!'"
No but you can blame him for team selection, tactics, and coaching, all of which are a little mystifying today.
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| I'd certainly say going four props and no half back/hooker outlet was risky.
Everything else I'd put down to human error!
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| Quote ="kinleycat"And they were being made before Agar came in.
Human errors, if its coaching then I'd argue JK made the same mistakes.
Some of this is just players under performing en masse.
Of we drop everyone who was pants at HKR and everyone who's been pants today, we haven't a squad for next week.
Sorry the players need to watch these performances and put their hands up.'"
coach accountable - end of.
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| Quote ="Dreadnaught"No but you can blame him for team selection, tactics, and coaching, all of which are a little mystifying today.'"
And pretty much all season if it was just this game fair enough but it's week in week out
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| Quote ="kinleycat"How many do you want to drop, I've yet to see any coach drop a whole squad, unless you know otherwise?'"
Try with Lynne who is a passenger in the centre. He is the biggest reason we keep haemorrhaging points out wide..and he keeps picking him. To be honest, I don't feel like I want to watch us play if he is picked in centre again, it's too obvious and predictable to everyone but the man in charge. Collis is being made to look an idiot in defence covering for 2
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| Quote ="Quel Suprise!"coach accountable - end of.'"
If only life was as simple as your summing up of it?!?
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| Never have I in all the years said get rid of a coach right from first watching in the 60s as a boy.Guess what the sooner they get rid of Agar the better if this continues all the fans the club have managed to bring back into the fold will be lost.Looking at Agar in the dressing room he was wandering round like he couldnt care less.Every club has now worked out where we can be breached and are weak.Who is responsible for the defensive structures at the club ? the coach.We are in the second season of poor defending and attempting to outscore the opposition.Agar wont quit he proved that at FC so unless he gets the bullet we have to look forward to more of the same and LOWER turn out by the fans week by week.When he comes to the end of his contract the fans will be down to a couple of thousand and less money coming in.
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| kinley cat, are you Agars brother or something?
The buck stops with the coach he is the one who conducts training, who decides tactics, who picks the team, who makes the substitutions, who takes the h/t team talk and who picks the same players who are making the same errors on the pitch week after week.
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| Who's accountable for getting rid of Ellis and Mariano? Wood and Molloy not even in the squad today so nobody can say we've got better players.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"If only life was as simple as your summing up of it?!?'"
Did you give birth to agar ?
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| Quote ="kinleycat"If only life was as simple as your summing up of it?!?'"
It really is as easy as that.
Hes paid to deliver results and performances.
He delivers neither.
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| And if the coach doesn't make a difference can you explain the change in castle fords performance ?
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| Quote ="les-goose"Never have I in all the years said get rid of a coach right from first watching in the 60s as a boy.Guess what the sooner they get rid of Agar the better if this continues all the fans the club have managed to bring back into the fold will be lost.Looking at Agar in the dressing room he was wandering round like he couldnt care less.Every club has now worked out where we can be breached and are weak.Who is responsible for the defensive structures at the club ? the coach.We are in the second season of poor defending and attempting to outscore the opposition.Agar wont quit he proved that at FC so unless he gets the bullet we have to look forward to more of the same and LOWER turn out by the fans week by week.When he comes to the end of his contract the fans will be down to a couple of thousand and less money coming in.'"
This. We expect a professional performance from professional atheletes with structure in defence & attack. Our defence is absolutely woeful. We have neither structure. The coach is responsibile for this so sack the coach.
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| Quote ="metallicat"kinley cat, are you Agars brother or something?
The buck stops with the coach he is the one who conducts training, who decides tactics, who picks the team, who makes the substitutions, who takes the h/t team talk and who picks the same players who are making the same errors on the pitch week after week.'"
I'm not suggesting he isn't accountable, but this is just players playing badly.
What's different in training to when we were over achieving last season?
What's wrong with the tactics (human error apart) both teams are set up similarly, mistakes are making the difference.
Team?? Who would have been picked differently that would have made this any different??
Substitutions - four props on the bench wouldn't alter Tim smith playing poorly or Ben Cockayne letting Dixon in for four tries or Carney running Fox and Collis ragged.
H/t talks the players should have been shamed into a better second half, if they were I've missed it!!
Seriously pick 15 better players (I'm allowing Collis and Tatuai to play next week) in our squad and don't include those that were dropped from last week.
I won't hold my breath!!!!
Most of these were immortalised last season, as was the coach!!
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| Quote ="laurydaleysstrap"And if the coach doesn't make a difference can you explain the change in castle fords performance ?'"
How many times do we see teams get new coaches & suddenly start playing better, time will tell whether this is an improvement for Cas or it's just a temporary lift.
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"Who's accountable for getting rid of Ellis and Mariano? Wood and Molloy not even in the squad today so nobody can say we've got better players.'"
Ellis and Mariano have gone to fev FFS.
If tgey were setting SL alight elsewhere I would agree by the way.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"I'm not suggesting he isn't accountable, but this is just players playing badly.
What's different in training to when we were over achieving last season?
What's wrong with the tactics (human error apart) both teams are set up similarly, mistakes are making the difference.
Team?? Who would have been picked differently that would have made this any different??
Substitutions - four props on the bench wouldn't alter Tim smith playing poorly or Ben Cockayne letting Dixon in for four tries or Carney running Fox and Collis ragged.
H/t talks the players should have been shamed into a better second half, if they were I've missed it!!
Seriously pick 15 better players (I'm allowing Collis and Tatuai to play next week) in our squad and don't include those that were dropped from last week.
I won't hold my breath!!!!
Most of these were immortalised last season, as was the coach!!'"
I'm with you there. Bad performance. No need for knee jerk reaction.
More games ahead. Let's concentrate on them.
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| Quote ="laurydaleysstrap"Did you give birth to agar ?'"
I can confirm I am neither Mrs Agar nor his sibling or family member.
Nor am I a frothing fickle fan who was heralding him last season and shouting him down this.
I am gutted we lost to Cas however and some players need to watch that video during the week and give their heads a shake!!
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| Quote ="kinleycat"I'm not suggesting he isn't accountable, but this is just players playing badly.
What's different in training to when we were over achieving last season?
What's wrong with the tactics (human error apart) both teams are set up similarly, mistakes are making the difference.
Team?? Who would have been picked differently that would have made this any different??
Substitutions - four props on the bench wouldn't alter Tim smith playing poorly or Ben Cockayne letting Dixon in for four tries or Carney running Fox and Collis ragged.
H/t talks the players should have been shamed into a better second half, if they were I've missed it!!
Seriously pick 15 better players (I'm allowing Collis and Tatuai to play next week) in our squad and don't include those that were dropped from last week.
I won't hold my breath!!!!
Most of these were immortalised last season, as was the coach!!'" :
They underperform because agar lets them underperorm.
i dont know what goes on between agar and the players but its clear they are not performing as a group its not just player a n b who are underperforming its players a to x.
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| When we beat Cas at WR they never peppered the wingers (undoubtedly a week point in our game) with kicks and Chase was either missing, sulking or stopping himself being Cas best player most of the game.
Today that wasnt the case and I would guess that Powell had something to do with that change.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Ellis and Mariano have gone to fev FFS.
If tgey were setting SL alight elsewhere I would agree by the way.'"
Ellis at 9, Aiton at 7 Smith 6 of vice versa., Lee Smith centre..no Lynne, a lot of our recent problems improved I would suspect. The point is, Agar let em go...very badly advised in my opinion
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| Quote ="Quel Suprise!"
How come we made the play offs last season then?
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| It's got to be said, the basic rugby errors that we made this game was unreal, the kind of skills you learn as a 10 year old just weren't up to the mark. Sloppy penalties, falling off tackles, poor tackling technique, passes going behind the player, poor kicks etc etc.
I really did think we were starting to turn around a couple of weeks ago with back to back wins but the last 3 performances are alarming to say the least.
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| At least Trinity have progressed from conceding 28 points per match during Agar's tenure to 46 in the last 2. Glad I went to York instead of Manchester, where oddly enough I spotted Andy Ellis. Wigan next up!
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