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| Quote ="Fordy"The club can wave goodbyeto my Club 1873 membership if this jid is allowed to slip through our fingers.
He has been superb in every game he's played this season and he should be rewarded for that.'"
Agree, he has looked ready for this level since he pulled on a first team shirt, he doesn't need loaning out or dual registering - he has got SL class written all over him.
The harsh reality though is that other clubs will already have taken note and will monitor him and when ready pounce!!
Don't be surprised if he isn't wearing a wigan, leeds or warrington shirt in the near future.
For me he is the best prospect since Ellis and could be a top class SL/International player in the future, i'd love it to be as a Wakey player.
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| Personally I can only see Anakin heading for Hudds next year - it is the way.
However he will immediately become a plodder like Murphy so it should be alright.
Digs aside we need to keep him or why bother.
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| I'd like to think that his development will continue and he'll earn a good deal with us off the back of it; in the real world however, if another club comes in with a decent offer, his agent will probably be the deciding factor.
I don't think we're a club that can afford to break the bank on a promising young lad; if it were me though, I'd be looking to move Mellars on to free up cash so that Anakin can be signed up now, for at least 2 years.
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| Quote ="vastman"Personally I can only see Anakin heading for =#800000Hudds next year - it is the way.
However he will immediately become a plodder like Murphy so it should be alright.
Digs aside we need to keep him or why bother.'"
Bugger!! Forgot about them!!
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| Watched Dewsbury Vs Leigh yesterday,young prop for Leigh looked promising,Ryan Duffy.
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| Quote ="vastman"
Digs aside we need to keep him or why bother.'"
Well this is exactly it isn't it. There's absolutely no point in an 1873 initiative if the players that are earmarked as potential stars are allowed to go.
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| Quote ="sandaltrinityfan"Well this is exactly it isn't it. There's absolutely no point in an 1873 initiative if the players that are earmarked as potential stars are allowed to go.'"
Its a bit of a catch 22.
Technically 1873 is about bringing the talent through the ranks as i understand it.
Once they're in and around the first team its a club thing.
This is why we need to spend at the club £100 STs wont secure the future of our up and coming talented first teamers sadly.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Its a bit of a catch 22.
Technically 1873 is about bringing the talent through the ranks as i understand it.
Once they're in and around the first team its a club thing.'"
That's how I understand it too - 1873 is about identifying and nurturing young talent; once the talent has been established, agents and other clubs come into the equation and we're no longer at the head of the negotiating table.
We certainly need to do better than we've done, but we'll never be able to keep them all.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Its a bit of a catch 22.
Technically 1873 is about bringing the talent through the ranks as i understand it.
Once they're in and around the first team its a club thing.
This is why we need to spend at the club £100 STs wont secure the future of our up and coming talented first teamers sadly.'"
Not really - when he gets to that age then he becomes the responsibilty of the first team - but why waste the money developing them if we are not serious about retaining them.
I do not want to hear excuses about how 'we tried, but someone came in with a tremendous offer' - he has been through our ranks and we have had long enough to assess him and come out with the right answer.
As a comparison - we offered Reece Lynne (who Hull were happy to let go) a 3 year deal, despite limited first team experience. I see no difference here, and Annakin is home trained, so go and give him a min 2 year extension.
I really do see this as being another key moment in our clubs development - and regrettably, most of the others in days gone by have gone wrong! If we genuinely have a 10 year plan, this is what should be in it!
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| Well said TRB.
Its bang on the money and will show if we have moved forward or not.
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| Well the rules have changed this year and if we haven't offered him a contract by 1st May then he is free to talk to other clubs so we best get a shift on.
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| It is a pleasure to watch Annakin play, good hands, runs in hard and full of ethusiasm. Not sure on position but one to keep. Second best player on Friday but that was only to Lomax. Just hope the boo boys haven't ruined it for him with wanting more foreign players in depth. Lets keep him and lets try and be more positive behind our team before the pressure starts to get to them.
Hope to see cowling and goulding soon.
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| Quote ="TRB"Not really - when he gets to that age then he becomes the responsibilty of the first team - but why waste the money developing them if we are not serious about retaining them.
I do not want to hear excuses about how 'we tried, but someone came in with a tremendous offer' - he has been through our ranks and we have had long enough to assess him and come out with the right answer.
As a comparison - we offered Reece Lynne (who Hull were happy to let go) a 3 year deal, despite limited first team experience. I see no difference here, and Annakin is home trained, so go and give him a min 2 year extension.
I really do see this as being another key moment in our clubs development - and regrettably, most of the others in days gone by have gone wrong! If we genuinely have a 10 year plan, this is what should be in it!'"
I agree, but in all this money is usually the key/deciding factor.
You could argue that even if we weren't the best financial deal on the table the fact that a player has come through the ranks would buy you a bit of loyalty too.
In the end if we try our best to keep a player, and by that I mean stretch if we have to without over stretching and try our very best, but fail to hold onto players then that is just the nature of the game.
It's not nice but its a fact, and until we get 5000 ST holders at full price and selling BV/NM outwe aren't going to be anywhere close to the Leeds, Wigans, Warringtons etc of this world.
I have a Westwoodesque feeling about this one, but the financial stability of the club is paramount.
One mans excuses are another mans reasons I suppose and it is gut wrenching and makes you think "what's the point" I agree.
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| Quote ="El Rey"Well said TRB.
Its bang on the money and will show if we have moved forward or not.'"
How will it? that's a very simplistic view.
Other financial constraints will have an effect and without knowing them all its difficult to call.
Hopefully we will keep him, but other offers from here and abroad may well tempt him and we may have little option.
I'm sure Bradford and STs would have loved to have kept Burgess and Graham, them leaving weren't a sign if anything other than players wanting to play in Aus and market forces.
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| Quote ="Trebor"It is a pleasure to watch Annakin play, good hands, runs in hard and full of ethusiasm. Not sure on position but one to keep. Second best player on Friday but that was only to Lomax. Just hope the boo boys haven't ruined it for him with wanting more foreign players in depth. Lets keep him and lets try and be more positive behind our team before the pressure starts to get to them.
Hope to see cowling and goulding soon.'"
Absolutely.
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| Quote ="Trebor"It is a pleasure to watch Annakin play, good hands, runs in hard and full of ethusiasm. Not sure on position but one to keep. Second best player on Friday but that was only to Lomax. Just hope the boo boys haven't ruined it for him with wanting more foreign players in depth. Lets keep him and lets try and be more positive behind our team before the pressure starts to get to them.
Hope to see cowling and goulding soon.'"
I dont see too many folk clamouring for overseas signings.
For every one that performs (like Smith), we get 2 that dont (Hickey and to a lesser extent Southern - who had other issues, rather than just on the field)
In an ideal world we'd have a classy homegrown squad with a couple of marqe overseas signinggs.
However, the reality is that we are a smaller club working on a tight budget and whatever we all think of lads like Annakin, if one of the big boys comes knocking we cant compete, not just in terms of wages but, the lure of success, which at this point in Wakefields history, we cant offer.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"I agree, but in all this money is usually the key/deciding factor.
You could argue that even if we weren't the best financial deal on the table the fact that a player has come through the ranks would buy you a bit of loyalty too.
In the end if we try our best to keep a player, and by that I mean stretch if we have to without over stretching and try our very best, but fail to hold onto players then that is just the nature of the game.
It's not nice but its a fact, and until we get 5000 ST holders at full price and selling BV/NM outwe aren't going to be anywhere close to the Leeds, Wigans, Warringtons etc of this world.
I have a Westwoodesque feeling about this one, but the financial stability of the club is paramount.
One mans excuses are another mans reasons I suppose and it is gut wrenching and makes you think "what's the point" I agree.'"
It is indeed a dleicate balance - the point I am making is that the advantage always lies with the home club - in that you have the first chance to sign them. In Annakins case some of us have been baying for his introduction - having confidence that he would not disappoint. Many have said he is/was too small, yet we have argued that his heart is so big it will see him through. If, due to our 'dallying' we end up in a straight street-fight as who pays most wins, then we have blown any advantage we may have had.
As for the 5,000 - if we don't show that we can keep hold of our own - again - then we will never make the 5,000 - it would certainly cut the legs from under my own enthusiasm. The top clubs invest in, and retain, the best talent at their clubs - and we are not exactly over-flowing with numbers coming through with now just Annakin, Cowling, Walshaw, Trout and Wildie left from the Championship side and of those, there are question marks over how many will make it - so much for the golden generation!
Simple solution (in text at least) - get him signed up quick!
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| Quote ="kinleycat"How will it? [uthat's a very simplistic view.[/uOther financial constraints will have an effect and without knowing them all its difficult to call.
Hopefully we will keep him, but other offers from here and abroad may well tempt him and we may have little option.
I'm sure Bradford and STs would have loved to have kept Burgess and Graham, them leaving weren't a sign if anything other than players wanting to play in Aus and market forces.'"
Not for me it isn't, for years i've watched youngsters disappear from this club for one reason or another and my love for the club and the game hang on watching Wakey youngsters come through at this club.
The day we don't have any local players in a Trin side is the day i walk away.
I know many reasons affect signing players on and you can't keep them all but its got to stop.
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| Quote ="TRB"It is indeed a dleicate balance - the point I am making is that the advantage always lies with the home club - in that you have the first chance to sign them. In Annakins case some of us have been baying for his introduction - having confidence that he would not disappoint. Many have said he is/was too small, yet we have argued that his heart is so big it will see him through. If, due to our 'dallying' we end up in a straight street-fight as who pays most wins, then we have blown any advantage we may have had.
As for the 5,000 - if we don't show that we can keep hold of our own - again - then we will never make the 5,000 - it would certainly cut the legs from under my own enthusiasm. The top clubs invest in, and retain, the best talent at their clubs - and we are not exactly over-flowing with numbers coming through with now just Annakin, Cowling, Walshaw, Trout and Wildie left from the Championship side and of those, there are question marks over how many will make it - so much for the golden generation!
Simple solution (in text at least) - get him signed up quick!'"
Last point first, and I suppose the one that matters most, totally agree 100%!!!
The advantage is ours only if his head (or his agents head) hasn't already been turned, and I'm certain any agent worth his salt will be seeing pound signs next to his name. So I can see it being more than just straightforward and not a cheap deal - relatively speaking.
The problem lies in IF we don't/can't keep hold of him. As you say it's difficult to build a support when the supporters see players like this being sold on, but the reality is we've seen them come and we've seen them go and that will continue I'm sure, but we are still here and still (generally) supportive.
I remember a clamour for Walshaws signature from some fans, for me (as we stand) Anakin is already a better player than Walshaw despite not having the team opportunities Lucas has had, and I'm certain will continue to develop at a faster rate, hopefully players like Walshaw, Trout and Cowling will continue to develop too, in their own way and at their own speed and into first team regulars for us.
The point being we can't afford to get many of these choices wrong unlike a big clubs, who can afford not only to carry the odd underachiever in their squads but also afford the money tied up in the player too.
NM hopefully will propel us a little way forward than BV ever can, but I think the reality is we will always struggle against the wealthier, bigger, more successful clubs.
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| Quote ="El Rey"Not for me it isn't, for years i've watched youngsters disappear from this club for one reason or another and my love for the club and the game hang on watching Wakey youngsters come through at this club.
The day we don't have any local players in a Trin side is the day i walk away.
I know many reasons affect signing players on and you can't keep them all but its got to stop.'"
It has got to stop, I couldn't agree more and hopefully (CCJs aside) we are heading in the right direction.
Until the people of Wakefield fully get behind the club and support it (at full price) we are a long way away from keeping our local talent - very local.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"It has got to stop, I couldn't agree more and hopefully (CCJs aside) we are heading in the right direction.
Until the people of Wakefield fully get behind the club and support it (at full price) we are a long way away from keeping our local talent - very local.'"
A long hard slog to get fans back at any price but in fairness to the club they've done a real good job so far.
Thats why its important to show we can hold on and we can build for the future, never easy i know and finances dictate how and when this can happen.
Vasty will be along soon to tell me this local players stuff is all guff in this day and age and maybe he's right.
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| It's easy at £100-£125 for a ST.
Matching ambition, finance and a full priced ST will be much tougher.
We are on the way and as you say the club have done a good job so far, still a hell of a lot more to do.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"It's easy at £100-£125 for a ST.
Matching ambition, finance and a full priced ST will be much tougher.
We are on the way and as you say the club have done a good job so far, still a hell of a lot more to do.'"
But the cheap season tickets are part of the plan - and will not remain so for much longer, if at all.
If however we have a period of poor results / increased charges / loss of players, then all could so easily be undone. Don't get me wrong, I approve of almost all of what has happened at the club in the past 2 years but this is a new challenge and one I very much hope we rise to.
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| I completely agree Al, but they are at the simple end of the plan.
Cheap tickets should equal more supporters and tolerant ones at that.
More expensive equals more expectation, more criticism and equals fans more likely to walk away after a few bad results.
Is it slowly slowly catchy monkey with little money in the bank or more money in the bank and a risk of losing support and therefore money in the bank?
Rock and hard place springs to mind!!
Like I said we're still at the easy end. Improving on the mess we were in was always going to be the easy bit, taking us forward is more of a challenge.
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| Quote ="sandaltrinityfan"Well this is exactly it isn't it. There's absolutely no point in an 1873 initiative if the players that are earmarked as potential stars are allowed to go.'"
My view entirely.
If the fans are asked to take a punt by paying to support the development of young talent, the club must do its bit to ensure that the top players are retained. The fans want to see top local talents playing for their local team.
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