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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"Is this fact or rumour regarding the Crusaders players not being paid?'"
This is RLfans so its both fact and rumour
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| Quote ="kiwiballs"icon_surprised.gifops: So you agree we do have grounds, thats a quick turn around.'"
Depends in what context. Ours won't be the worst SL app. But neither have we done everything that is required. If it was an even contest then we would have grounds but we knew at the start it wasn't and that Crusaders and Quins have a different set of rules to abide by. So take them out of the equation and we are left up against Cas. So overall one of us has to go and their isn't really grounds for a protest because we haven't done what we had to.
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| I agree theboyem but neither have cas. For me it should either be both out or both stay under the provision that ground is made re grounds within a twelve month period, if not then you're out to be replaced by Fax/Leigh
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"Probably a bit of both. I know of a Cru player who hasnt been paid on time in the past. I remember Youngquest tweeting at beginning of season that the club are a joke and don't deserve to be operating as they still owed him money from last season. I don't think he'd tweet that if it wasn't true as it could have very serious repercussions'"
heARD ONE DEFO NOT PAID FOR 3 MONTHS
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| I'd imagine it won't be just one, if one doesn't get paid then the rest probably won't. Probably explains the disciplinary issues if true
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"I agree theboyem but neither have cas. For me it should either be both out or both stay under the provision that ground is made re grounds within a twelve month period, if not then you're out to be replaced by Fax/Leigh'"
Sounds fair enough to me.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"Also how will you prove our application is better than others? The RFL aren't going to publish any of the applications and I doubt any one on here has seen ours. What will be will be all that is important is for us to carry on supporting our team and showin AG that we are a club worth holding on to and that we can have a very bright future under his reign.'"
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| Harry Hill yes I'll put the gloves on seriously the RFL could be open to a regal battle
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"AG has stated he has a 10 year plan which will improve us and make us successful in every area so he is in for the long haul'" would like to hear it
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| All we should do is try our best before the decision.
Waste of time and effort protesting after the decision. Will just make us look pathetic.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"All we should do is try our best before the decision.
Waste of time and effort protesting after the decision. Will just make us look pathetic.'"
That's how I see it - a protest would do us no favours at all.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"I think we should all cancel our Sky subscriptions too!'"
HEAR HEAR. Mine will go. It's their agenda, their fault. 5000 Trinity members plus floating support..won't bring BskyB down but it sends a message..one which would get me kicked off here if I spelt out how I feel about the hijacking of RL by this lot at BskyB and The RFL. I am disgusted by franchising to be honest and very disappointed that the RL family (joke now) isnt too.
Just reading Foxy's biography...when we had a sport, not just a business plan
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| Any protest would be comparable to some of the cringeworthy threads, being started by some Wakefield supporters, on the VT over the last few weeks.
It's embarassing to read some of the pathetic whineing.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"All we should do is try our best before the decision.
Waste of time and effort protesting after the decision. Will just make us look pathetic.'"
Yes agree, we must fight as hard as we can but don't lower ourselves, to anything like protesting.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"All we should do is try our best before the decision.
Waste of time and effort protesting after the decision. Will just make us look pathetic.'"
Agreed. In theory it might sound like a good idea but in practise when only 50 people (and a dog) turn up it would just look embarrassing.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Any protest would be comparable to some of the cringeworthy threads, being started by some Wakefield supporters, on the VT over the last few weeks.
It's embarassing to read some of the pathetic whineing.'"
Again fully agree. Even if the whinge was justifyed its unlikely that Trinity would get any empathy on there.
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| If as most people think you do loose the franchise bid, the best thing is to do a Widnes. Find out the reasons why & set about doing something about it to get a licence in 3 years.
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| Quote ="Fearnhead Cross"If as most people think you do loose the franchise bid, the best thing is to do a Widnes. Find out the reasons why & set about doing something about it to get a licence in 3 years.'"
Thats what will happen after a bit a teddy throwing, i guess fans don't feel that its done fairly and who can blame them.
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| Ok. If there is to be any 'protest' we need to clear who and what we are protesting, and what we would hope to achieve with such action, otherwise we would make ourselves look rather silly and petulant.
We would not be protesting against Crusaders (or Cas/Salford/Quins), the only organisation we have any beef with is the RFL, and then only if they haven't followed their own published guidlines:
[urlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/licensing/licensing_faqs[/url
Clubs are assessed on criteria in 5 key areas:
a. Commercial, Marketing, Media and Community.
b. Facilities.
c. Finance.
d. Governance and Business Management.
e. Playing Strength and Player Performance Strategy.
Clubs that meet all of the A Grade criteria across the 5 areas will be awarded an A Grade licence. Clubs that materially meet all the A Grade criteria and/or satisfy the RFL that they will meet the criteria in the next round of licensing will be awarded a B Grade licence.
The RFL will then allocate the remaining Super League licences to those existing Super League clubs and/or Championship clubs which applied for a licence and met the Championship Club Minimum Criteria. The licenses will be allocated to those clubs that the RFL board believes are the most suitable, taking into account the:
a. Extent to which each club helps meet the SLE Strategy and the strategic aims and objectives of the Licensing process;
b. Historical activity of the clubs under consideration; and
c. RFL’s reasonable opinion as to future performance of the clubs under consideration.
I would support some kind of action should we not be awarded a licence and the reasons for that decision are not made absolutely clear. This would mean a detailed explanation of why we weren't awarded a B grade and how our application was weaker as compared to each of the under-threat teams: Cas, Crusaders, Quins and Salford.
I would be interested to know how each of the criteria are weighted. The lack of any points system makes this round much less objective and open to interpretation, but we should still expect clarity on how the decision was reached.
Of course we could be awarded a franchise or the explanation given could be acceptable, in which case we would have to take it on the chin and plan for the future.
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| Quote ="coco the fullback"
a. Extent to which each club helps meet the SLE Strategy and the strategic aims and objectives of the Licensing process;
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I imagine that this is where we will have to bite the bullet when/if the decision goes against us. The only thing that might save us is if AG can convince them that he is serious about the stadium development and Newmarket is going to happen. Sadly with our previous it may be a case of the boy who cried wolf.
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| Quote ="Fearnhead Cross"If as most people think you do loose the franchise bid, the best thing is to do a Widnes. Find out the reasons why & set about doing something about it to get a licence in 3 years.'"
wont have a bloody hope in hell because they will want to bring another frog club in or a 2nd London club its bloody madness
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| Protest about the transparency of the system but not against being kicked out.
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| Quote ="Wakefield No 1"From the other thread but thought this deserved its own disscusion..
IF we get kicked out of super league on July 26th and the RFL give there reason as no super league standard ground in progress/completed do we protest against the decision at the Crusaders game or at Red Hall or not at all??
Do we accept that going into adminstration and not having a new ground to go to has caused the RFL to see us as the weakest link?
I personally think there at least two worse super league applications than us and we are the ones who everybody expects to be relegated so it wont be much of a 'fuss' if we go, so protest or go down gracefully? the choice is yours...'"
If there was any hope of us ever getting back, I would say take it on the chin. But the way this franchise thing is going, I feel clubs like Wakefield, Fax, Featherstone, Leigh, maybe Cas..plus other well established heartland clubs are just not part of the SL plan. I feel protesting should be about the game as well as us. At the very least, one up one down should be re-instigated, provided your facilities are up to SL standards...and no exceptions on the relegation; London Broncos/Harlequins et al, go down same as the rest if they finish bottom. If there is no hope for all these teams of top flight status, they will slowly wither and die. This just HAS to be wrong
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| Quote ="coco the fullback"Ok. If there is to be any 'protest' we need to clear who and what we are protesting, and what we would hope to achieve with such action, otherwise we would make ourselves look rather silly and petulant.
We would not be protesting against Crusaders (or Cas/Salford/Quins), the only organisation we have any beef with is the RFL, and then only if they haven't followed their own published guidlines:
[urlhttp://www.therfl.co.uk/licensing/licensing_faqs[/url
Clubs are assessed on criteria in 5 key areas:
a. Commercial, Marketing, Media and Community.
b. Facilities.
c. Finance.
d. Governance and Business Management.
e. Playing Strength and Player Performance Strategy.
Clubs that meet all of the A Grade criteria across the 5 areas will be awarded an A Grade licence. Clubs that materially meet all the A Grade criteria and/or satisfy the RFL that they will meet the criteria in the next round of licensing will be awarded a B Grade licence.
The RFL will then allocate the remaining Super League licences to those existing Super League clubs and/or Championship clubs which applied for a licence and met the Championship Club Minimum Criteria. The licenses will be allocated to those clubs that the RFL board believes are the most suitable, taking into account the:
a. Extent to which each club helps meet the SLE Strategy and the strategic aims and objectives of the Licensing process;
b. Historical activity of the clubs under consideration; and
c. RFL’s reasonable opinion as to future performance of the clubs under consideration.
I would support some kind of action should we not be awarded a licence and the reasons for that decision are not made absolutely clear. This would mean a detailed explanation of why we weren't awarded a B grade and how our application was weaker as compared to each of the under-threat teams: Cas, Crusaders, Quins and Salford.
I would be interested to know how each of the criteria are weighted. The lack of any points system makes this round much less objective and open to interpretation, but we should still expect clarity on how the decision was reached.
Of course we could be awarded a franchise or the explanation given could be acceptable, in which case we would have to take it on the chin and plan for the future.'"
There is enough in there for the RFL to justify any decision they want. As you say its not a scoring system, but a subjective one.
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