The thing with the franchise carry on is that we are in limbo until we get told yes or no, so he cant really say where we are going because actually he doesn't know.
Everything else in your post is bang on though.

Some of the things you mention happened before he took over.

True, but he can give us his vision for either way be it SL or champs. If I remember right when he registered on here at the time of the takeover he wanted to communicate with the fans, so far I see very little of that apart from, the meeting which I still stand by what I said at the time regards that, the organization was shocking (mr detail), I have seen nothing yet to suggest we are any better off than before he took over, he got the club for peanuts, he's spent a few quid here and there to polish the turd so to speak but very little else, this season reading the headlines coming from the club, we should have signed 2 awesome players (turned out to be no signing and the semi signing). I will not judge him on if we get a franchise or not due to his short time in the post and also not really caring but I will judge the man on if I feel he has lied to me which I feel he has. Trust is the most important factor here, and for me he is losing that trust, already there are a few who are questioning him, how long before we find ourselves in another Ted situation?

Sadly that excuse doesn't work.

Trinity ceased to be a viable club in the early 1980's, but it's never been accepted as an excuse.

Added to that the new club is all new with no historical debt etc so that excuse doubly doesn't stand up.

Correct Vastman, and the criticism he receives for failing to deliver will be equally justified.
The old regime, not only failed to improve our lot they actually left us in a far worse state in the end, Mr Glover MUST find a way to deliver or history will treat him the same.
My belief is that he has started off well, he (or someone) has cocked up certainly with the signing debacle on friday, the CC meeting I'm not sure about, i heard there was and still are, things ongoing regarding more good news from that, but if we achieve the 5000 members and start earning money through club 1873 to plow into junior development, then to me that will have been a success (though maybe not quite of the historic proportions claimed).
One way to maintain support is to communicate, it is so hugely important to the fans, but not to over egg the pudding so to speak. We all live and breathe the club and want to know how things are going.
Between now and the 26th in particular the club should be in constant communication, to show us that they are doing everything possible, of course we know all that, but we also want reassurance as well.

We'll have to differ on this one, I actually think the old regime left us with a chance - Newmarket - and as such left us in a better state than any previous regime. It matters not one jot that the old Trinity went bust, that was inevitable as it's inevitable this regime will go pop without NM. The fact is that however bad it got under Ted there was enough left to attract another invester - that was a step up from 10 years ago when Pearman stuffed us.

Since SL the only thing that has mattered is keeping us in the game in the hope that one day all will come right - survive survive survive and for that I'm grateful to Ted and AG. We may be as little as 6 month fron total salvation or utter devastation, but hell at least we will know

The thing that worries me with threads like this is that someone who is not knowledgeable but is influencial may believe that this is a majority view.
When we are just discussing which coach you would prefer, I'm happy to join in and it is all good healthy debate. When we start "Kear out" threads or "What has AG ever done for us?" Monty Python threads then they are more emotive and more dangerous. I don't want to get rid of them but they just need to be understood.
Loudest doesn't mean majority. It does sometimes mean that those that don't know will follow blindly and skew the flow of debate.
All I'm saying is be careful what you wish for and if you do have an opinion, speak up rather than staying silent and let it get out of hand because it degenerates into a name calling session (God forbid on here eh?!?)

Anyway, after my preaching session, I still think AG (or more accurately his team) is good for us.
Just looking at the advertising and corporate hospitality that has increased in both volume and quality or the planned changes to the ground. neither are exactly investments for AG. He isn't going to ever get a return on this. He is doing it to improve life for the Wakefield Trinity club and ultimately the fans.
It's fairly well known that unless you are investing in Chelsea or Man United you are only "giving" money to sustain a hobby by putting money into a club. At best you get free advertising space, which is no small thing but still not the investment people sometimes think.

For the club to grow and suceed as a business, and have a long term Super League future, the work is in the back office not on the field. We've seen what happens when you only invest in the team.....and not just our own example. If he generates financial interest or improves the facilities enough to bring more fans then great. He's done his job, whether we come last in the league or not.

So AG may not be the Messiah in terms of taking us to a Grand Final......but he's certainly a Moses, taking us through the dark days and leading the way to the future. Even if only because he is the only one wanting to do it. And even if that road leads via a lower division, I'm still following.

for me there are several problems with mr glover’s tenure at the club. the first being not one of genuine continuity of the team running the club, but the fact that he cleared out virtually the entire building and hasn’t replaced them. this has really left us with only mr elston and mr kear with any background in the operation of an rl club. this is at best naïve. kear is a good coach, but we’ve all seen that his judgement is as much miss as it is hit when it comes to player selection (jones-bishop and mcgilvery to name but two in the last 9 months).

if we take kear out of the coaching equation for next year, then really all we have is elston to make footballing decisions. i wonder if this is why we’ve already interviewed at length richard agar who is quite friendly with.

we haven’t replaced bj. he wasn’t up to the mark in my book, but he’s better than we have. kear and elston are playing a tune which isn’t helping wakefield, and either mr glover is simply saving his brass, or he can’t see it. i would bet that mr glover’s wage bill is less now for players than when he took over. this will hit us through the turnstyles.

indications so far is that he’s bitten off more than he can chew from an rl side of things, way to early to say from a business perspective.

Which things happened before he took over?

Actually, now you've made me re-read your post, I unequivocally take my comment back. I misread the Millard/Jeffries part.
I still think you are being harsh but there was nothing wrong with your facts stated.

Giving Jeffries away, allowing Millard to leave ,not sacking Hickey on sight, signing Semi, allowing Semi and Hickey to walk straight into the team, falling out with Robo , allowing Renaldi and Griffin to drop their committment levels once they had signed for new clubs for next season, not giving Anakin and Walshaw first team rugby etc etc tell me that the group who are making rugby decisions are doing a poor job.

Jeffries was our very best player we encouaraged him to go as soon as Bradford asked about him, a really really bad move.

Now the palyers have given up just when the SL licence decisions are to be made, how very easy we have made it for them. We are getting thrashed every week and we are signing overseas dross who get in the team instead of young English players.

You just couldn`t make it up.

From what i am told if we do stay in superleague next 3 years we will need someone else on board with money as well.

Cheers.

Maybe i am been harsh -- im undecided.

Maybe as others have stated all will become clearer after the 26th July.

Forgive me as I’ve been away, but who have Rinaldi and Griffin signed for?

Doesn’t everyone?

No doubt Andrew Glover has left the recruitment to jK with some input in terms of wage negotiations from James Elston. In that sense we might be justified in pointing the finger at JK for the standard of player we are recruiting, in mitigation there top quality players will be hard to come by although my personal belief is that deals can be done with GOOD players who are are vulnerable to an offer.

As for AG, let's not forget that he's pledged a £500K funding package to revamp Belle Vue! The franchise decision may render that offer impotent but there's always the chance we will be spared the chop and then we will see the true value of Andrew Glovers ownership.

As a businessman he really can't be expected to pour too much money into our Super League set up because within the next three weeks any finances or gains made may well go up in smoke.

What I really would like to see is some of the top juniors in our game being signed to contracts, whether we are in the Championship waiting for 2015 or in the SL, our future will lie with the quality of the juniors we sign now. If, IF there is money available to invest in Wakefield Trinity Wildcats future the only place it could be spent at this moment in time is on recruiting juniors who otherwise might go to Leeds, Wigan, Sts or Warrington. There is absolutely no reason to wait on this one, the franchise decision has very little bearing on this element of the clubs future.

We are either a top SL club with ,via 1873 Club, the best funded junior system in the game or we are a Championship club with, via 1873 club, the best junior system in the game and a greater prospect of 1st team opportunities being available.

If estimations are correct then there are approximately 1,500 1873 Club members which equates to £156,000 per annum.
Minus 52 X £300 per week draws
Minus 2 X £5,000 annual draws
Minus £24,000 (estimated lottery Managers Wage)
Minus £6,000 other costs (printing, banking etc)

That equals £90,000 per year into our junior system, when added to the budget we already allocate to junior football, which I hope is ring fenced or we've been duped, should give us well in excess of £100K per year.

If AG has any money to spend now he could begin signing the best talent NOW! and it will kick start our future.

Hard to argue with any of that. It's pointless him splasing out cash with so much uncertainty and if we go down he's gonna need as much as possible because I would assume the sky money bites the dust?

Yes, have I missed something ,who have Rinaldi and Griffin and who is all the blame of because to me, if we take what you say as fact,cthis all sounds liker a coaching or Elston decisions.

Did we not start that process a few years ago and then turned them into an academy winning side? What will become of them - especially if we lose the licence?

I am beginning to wonder if it is worth our while spending any money on juniors -all we achieve is a production line of players for other clubs - and has been the same for as long as......

Rinaldi is alleged to have signed for quins or whatever they are going to be called, and presumably Griffin has been linked with someone?

I agree Clan, except, the best youngsters, who are destined for GB honours or at least Grand Final medals in future will want to sign for a top club, whether money is on offer.
From a parent point of view, long term training, development and success, is more valuable than signing on fee.
So if the money is going into the infrastructure of the best academy with the best coaches for young people, then I think it would work, if it is just being used to get them through the door, they'll soon be leaving by the same route.

Was it? why was it inevitable, that Trinity went bust because if it was run properly, it shouldn't of. Also, how is it that this regime will go 'pop' without NM?

On the face of it you'd think that to be right, but i can speak of fev's u15s and u16s academy, which is very good, always competes with the academies of SL clubs and wins half of its games.
I think a lot of people can see fev as a good grounding club for youngsters rather than being lost in the leeds academy set up.
Good is good, big isn't always better, a lot of people can't see it, but good development is able to be achieved away from SL.

Both for the same reason - expectations that don't match resources. The clubs current set up at BV IMO simply cannot sustain a SL team let alone one that will succeed.

Sports clubs are unique in that there reason to be which is to provide entertainment and trophies is diametrically opposed to good business planning which is all about profit. Especially in our case. You see we don't base our business strategy on profit but on league position which is hard to predict. We are continually forced to take risks based on non profit pressures and invest far more than we should in assets that may or may not pay off - Hickey is a good example - no reason until he arrived to assume he wasn't a good addition to the squad. These are risks most businesses don't take. If it were just about profit as other businesses we'd sign 20 17 year olds on pin money and count the cash. But as you know that wouldn't work because no one would pay to watch, they say they would but they wouldn't and we'd still lose money

Yes the club could be run better as could all clubs but our specific problem is that we can't absorb the mistakes like others because we don't have the turn over. Leeds could write Hicky off as one of those things but for us it's a huge drain.

It's just my opinion but I can't see this club ever being sustainable at any level whilst still at BV or at least BV as it is now.

Martin Edwards (ex Man United Chairman) said, you cannot run any football team as a business, all you can do is run it in a business like manner which isn't the same thing.

I would expect the club to be investing in the infrastructure, beefing up our scholarship to include organised tours to Australia and university degrees. I also expect them to offer better training facilities and a wider exposure to coaches of different disciplines and finally to offer a contract that competes with other clubs, we lost a few young players to Castleford because Cas offered more money.

In the long run we may or may not keep the players we develop, Newmarket and the ability to spend the cap might mean we can keep them. Even if we don't keep them signing them to contracts would mean that we received a transfer fee for them and that should go back into the junior cycle.