Regarding BJ its far to early to comment only that there were worrying signs out there if that sort of performance was to carry on ... but ...

it was only a friendly with a totally mixed up side and there was a lot of positives to take out of the performance... Hes certainly gonn get better with games and linking up with the first team combos ... Also regarding Brough then the worrying thing could be hes gonna get less ball now as Newton and BJ are gonna take it away from him ...

There so much one eyed rubbish on this thread it beggars belief.

In a generally poor game, disrupted by injuries, BJ was one of those who actually tried to create something - with boot and in hand. Why is there no thread on DB? Probably because it was a low key warm up game and because he's not BJ.

I genuinely dispair for BJ - we don't have 'supporters' we have judge and jury and you're destined for execution by mob!

I like to think im not in either the rose-tinted supporters as some of you are and not always popping up when we lose or something negatives occur. I say it how I see it.

If people want to create a thread on DB then ill put my comments down re yesterdays performance and what we know he can do and what he has done.

The reason why we are discussing BJ is because this thread is about HIM. !!!

It's abit like analysing a horse race you can't take the form of one race (or game as this case maybe) as literal but you use that along with previous performances to come out with an opinion as to how you / I think they can perform in the future. I've seen / heard / read enough about BJ as anyone over the past 5/6yrs? and nothings changed i'll give him a few more games and i haven't labeled him a scapegoat but have given my judgement based on yesterdays game along with his previous performances.

If I am not a supporter, If I am a plank, If i am within this mob according to most people on here then I go severely out of my way to be a doom and gloomer spending god knows on season tickets, shirts, home and way games, all these numerous charity funds, supporters nights etc

This is a forum I have an opinion of which some share and others don't but don't act high and mighty thinking your right and I am wrong.

I hear your thoughts - but I take back none of what I said. BJ is at Wakefield for 3 years. We all can choose between getting behind the lad and trying to milk him for the best we can make him, or we can single him out for what, IMO (and that's all it is) is unfair criticism - based on what exactly? What I do know is that none of this is going to help anyone, except our opposition - the other teams that we play but, it could just be that, if we get behind our man, he could perform better for us.

I do apologise for the inference re 'supporters'. In clarity I was referring to the dictionary version - i.e. that of providing support - towards the individual, and not the wider, populist, version of whether you 'support' the club or not - that is a gimme. I do however think that there are too many on here who's sole perverse pleasure is the dismantling of a player, quickly followed by the phrase 'I told you so' - as if the 2 are completely unrelated!



Why the hell do we need a 'Scapegoat' anyway!

he's our fricking number 6 i wouldn't EVER expect anything else! thats the most one eyed rubbish i've ever heard. unless you would like to see korki at first man every set?

there is no comment on brough because as has already been pointed out he has proved himself over a sustained period. but i agree he was very poor yesterday. the fact he was changes nothing about BJ's perfomance, which as most people analysing his performance have accepted is that it's too early to make a firm judgement yet. expressing concern is not the same as scapegoating someone

You tell me.

Regarding the why don't we get behind the lad?

This is the nature of sport?!
Why can't man u fans get behind berbatov? Why do we (england) have an aussie coach? Is martin johnson good enough as england coach? etc etc etc
-Should we just support them no end.

This is sport and Britain people debate, criticise, analyse the mertis of coaches, managers, bod.
If supporters got behind everyone within their team they'd be very few signings no sackings no changes at the top management structure blah blah.

It's not going to happen so why try and stop it.

Perhaps if he'd have had more options from the runners he may well have made better use of the ball, has that ever hit home with anyone??? Gleeson and George hit about 4 good angles between them all game, when they ran them they got the ball and made the yards/breaks. Hendo and Moore basically played as extra props carting the ball up the middle (something Moore did very well along with Korki and King). When BJ has more runners and options to choose from lets rate him then, the likes of Morrison, JD and hopefully Millard should give the defense much more to think about thus making BJs job far easier. I expect Jeffries to be back to his 2004 form and I think him Morrison and Millard will form a great partnership comparable to when Sol and Sid were here.

that very well maybe the case who knows yet, but some of the criticisms of people making what i see as pertinent and relevant points about a new signing have been as silly as some of the posts by the usual suspects on this forum who get continually derided imo

There was some things I saw from BJ that left me a little optomistic and I think the spell at Bradford could have improved his game. As mentioned before it was his vision that created the first try.
I also think when he has the back rowers of Morrison,Johnson, JD etc running off him he will go OK.

Maybe so but people need to understand the game if they are going to criticise/praise players (not a go at you by the way). ie Hendo deserves praise for the heart determination and effort he shows week in week out against much bigger opposition. However thats all you're gunna get from him, some games you need that grit and determination others you need someone more flambouyant and skillful. On here people either see Hendo as great or total rubbish, he is neither but for me hes a good squad who will do what is asked of him for what I would imagine will be a relatively small wage.

TBF i think BJ is an ideal partner for DB in the halves. For me there personalities should mesh well. Broughy will call the shots at first receiver, whilst BJ cruises around a bit wider. I think they will go well. You cant judge a thing by one friendly at xmas.

nice to see the falseness of the xmas spirit has gone and we can settle back in to normality!

My apologies to anyone who takes offence at my comments.

I merely wish to support the player as part of the team / club that I support - but I am happy to concede to genuine, contructive, criticism.

As I have no appetite for 'falling out' over this, I will refrain from this thread.

Enjoy!

Bring it on

Why do we think that the ex Bulls will perform any better with us than they did in a very poor side or that B J has improved his game any with that experience

It isn't about taking offence as I see it. What worries me more is that we can't have a reasoned discussion about a performance in context without people on both sides resorting to accusing the other side of being planks or that old chestnut of saying 'they clearly have never played the game'.

Shame really, as in amongst that there are fair comments on either side that provoke thought. For example, I can see Upton's point about the lack of supporting runners being a contributory issue. I'd like to think reasoned debate would mean I can take that on board yet still stand by what I've already said, that I wasn't impressed by that individual performance. Equally as I've watched seasons of it before, I feel I can stretch it to worrying about his future contribution, without it running to scapegoating as I'm still prepared to keep an open mind.

As for the need to drag Hendo into the debate, I'll stand by my previous also. Yes players like that are an essential part of a shoestring squad. However, I'm pretty sure younger (and bigger) players are available from the National Leagues on similar wages who may have more potential about them.

Because they will be playing in a better team with a better coach?



I expect Iestyn Harris will be after a royalty payment for that cut out pass BJ threw for the first try. It was the only move he had left on his return from Union.

so here are my thoughts

murphy looked to have put a bit of weight on and didn't look out of place at fullback - quite a mature performance overall.

newton - thought he played very well considering first game, we wouldn't have got any more out of drew, and been "newton" adds some fear to our side (i.e. don't mess with us unless newton will .......)

jeffries was very much like rooney as mentioned before, a bit of effort, but ultimately ineffective.

brough was going through the motions - nothing fancy, just slow and steady.

king went well also

the rest were pretty much equal - no real criticism to be had, not much praise to issue either

No but it's the first step towards it, usually expressed be people who can't wait to say 'I told you so', as for Brough, he's proved over a sustained period that he is just as likely to go missing when he's got his maungy head on as BJ is.

don't agree with you there at all. was it davey at 14 who completely mis read the inside ball in the first half from bj who sold the whole leeds defence with the dummy and would have been in for a score? also was it not morton who did not see the kick from bj in to the corner which went straight in to touch!! playing at half back is all about timing, i remember when broughy came back from injury last year and was slagged by all the fickle never played the game brigade because some of his kicking was out !!! STOP SLAGGING AND START SUPPORTING ! IT REALLY MAKES ME FEEL SICK!

Glad I started this thread... shows the good, the bad and the stoopid that is the Trin supporters

Codswallop suppose you haven't expressed any concern over any players ever





That's how i see it.

Well me static!!! Four pages so far on BJ and the season hasnt even started for real yet.

Jesus i hope the guy doesnt throw out a last minute interception pass to inflict an opening day defeat for us ---- this board will go into meltdown.

Very rarely if ever have I criticised a player to the extent that you do, but if I have they have been given plenty of time to prove that they aren't up to it, ffs this was a warm up trial game for the team to try things out with the freedom of knowing that anything that went wrong didn't matter one jot so that when it does matter they will know not to do what doesn't work, add to that the fact that it was the first game in anger for them as a team and it only goes to show that you either know toss all about the game or you have an agenda against one player before he has had the chance to show his worth to us, frankly after reading some of the rubbish that you post I think it is probably both.

Yeah cheers for that




It may not last much longer but its been interesting to say the least.