From an outsider looking in I don't know how much you value my input, but I really don't think you need to panic about getting in the play offs whatsoever.

To put it bluntly you've gone toe to toe with the best sides in Super League in Leeds Saints Huddersfield and afew other teams in and about the play off spots, and it must be difficult to back that up week on week.

With a few fixtures against teams nearer the bottom of the table I think normal service will be resumed and you will start showing what you can do again.

I wouldnt bet against a Cas v Wakey clash in the play offs!

As we are all counting, I've been watching for 35 years now (admittedly I was young at the start?!?! and followed home and away for many seasons)
JK is the best I have seen. We have good and bad times, and coaches but I have never seen a coach so influencial on the team and individual players.

To talk of getting rid if we don't make the playoffs is rediculous. Any season we don't finish bottom is good as far as our budget is concerned.
The fact that we have been 1 away from bottom for a long time in Super League was good but since JK has arrived we have been argueing over which playoff place we should have. Get some perspecive man!

You say now we have to win 3 to get playoff place. I would agree. So as that's perfctly possible.....why not join the rst of us and just support them while they attempt to do it!?

Good for you for posting that. I agree. I look forward to a rematch in the playoffs

Given the respective home performances, I hope the match is at Wheldon Road.

Not read all the posts in detail but to suggest we show Kear the door if we dont make the play offs is madness.

I can probalbly top most on here as I have watched us for 45 years (yes I'm an old sod) and I've seen good times and many bad. In the good times we has good support, money and good players and were successful. Since then we've struggled particularly financially and John Kear taking into account our limited finances (probably the lowest wage bill in SL) is the best coach I've seen at Belle Vue.

We have progressed, we can match the best in SL but not on a regular basis, thats we we are an average side and not a good side (Leeds, Saints being good). To be a good side we need to spend the full cap and be on a level playing field with the rest. That will only come with a new ground and hopefully increased income so we will have to be patient.

I think we are pulling together a good team for 2010, okay there will be departures but the signs look good to me.

As Mutts says "IN KEAR WE TRUST" - lets stop this talk of P45's.

Oh and by the way, who'd be on the wing outside Atkins - might as well bring a deck chair and a book - no wonder Side Show has gone, probably looking to reintroduce himself to a ball as he hever saw one whilst he was here.

Doctor always posts sense.

Well done today mate - Heaven knows I'm miserable now.

very well said mate. jk has worked miracles with what he has to work with, both on and off the field. speak to any of the players and they will tell you. i do agree with what he says about playing players out of position, but as far as kear is concerned , the best thing that has happened to wakey.

was next to JK in the coaching box today and was stunned to see and hear his reaction to the game, Grix needs to be in the middle, and when he subbed and then brought Drew back on he had too many players who he wanted to chance there arm.

I think emotion got the better of Kear today.

what do you mean , too many wanted to chance their arm john?

Wait for the usual vitriol from the all seeing eye that is Vasty........

Kears orders to Beans was get so and so on to chance his arm, with about 20 left.

He took Drew off then brought him back on much to Drews disgust, then when it went tits up was slinging his water about at the wndow, never seen Kear lose it like that, in my opinion he got too involved emotionally today.

I didn't think he came on when Wakey lost. If Wakey win and Cas lose, he is happy, if Ferguson scores and Westerman plays crap, he is creaming in his pants.

see what you mean john. thought it was strange when i saw drew come off and then 2 mins later back on

Not in a million years am I defending Vasty, but I just don't see the 'great white hope' that Westerman is meant to be? No sour grapes, but I have never seen him have a good game?

Maybe not his finest game, but any Wakey fan who would condone Kear's dismissal needs their head looking at. We have never been as regularly competitive in SL as we are right now and again, for a club our size we punch well above our weight and this is down in no small part to Kear.

Don't think there is any doubt that Kear is the man for the job. Just needs to play players in thier correct positions. It's confusing watching the interchanges so who knows how confusing it must be to the players.

yes your right about people playing out of position atkins has been out of position for the last 2 and half season HE is not a centre

while i at the moment dont think jk and p45's should be in the same sentece i do agree with what RDM says.players are been played out of postion too much grix needs to play at 6 for rest of the season with out a doubt while some players (mainly atkins) need a kick up the backside.while jk is doing a good job but to me he is not the special one many believe if we fail to get in the playoffs we would have not improved on the previous 2 season and infact dropped a place or two and while i dont think we can expect to improve every year but that would be 3 years without improvment therfore kear is not the special one

I was also stood next to JK during yesterday's game, as I do every week. I love the fact that he shows passion, and whilst I didn't throw anything about at the final whistle, I certainly felt like it! He brought Drew off so that it could be pointed out to him that he was 'going missing' defensively, and that he needed to sort it out. At that point in the match not a lot was going for us, so with about 10 to go he told Beans to get him back out their and just to pop up wherever he wanted to try and create something and maybe unsettle Cas with a sort of free roll. Not exactly part of the plan, but a good coach is not frightened of trying something different when obviously plans A,B and C hadn't worked.

No probs with JK, does a very good job........just a bad performance.......it happens

i do think Kear got it tactically wrong by starting JD at Dummy half when we had Obst in the team and Drew on the bench (and Latu 18th man)

I think it was a case of trying to fit players in the team in their wrong positions.

Latu was injured, (not fit this week) drew cant do 80 mins. I always feel its better to start where your intended to stay for the maj, so you get into the feel of a game and if jd's playing 50-60 mins of dummy half, for my money he has to start there. With hookers its different as they are known.renowned for and used as impact players.

It seems a couple of people might have misread what my original post said.

I'm NOT suggesting that JK should get the boot after 1 defeat (least of all after a defeat to Cas), but we've only won 4 (1 of which was Celtic) out of our last 12 matches (13 if you include the CC defeat by Wigan) and that simply isn't something that equates to a side expecting to compete in the playoffs.

If we are going to make any impression in the playoffs it's clear that JK will have to start using players in their best positions rather than trying to fit them into plans that clearly aren't working.

3 wins from our last five SHOULD give us a playoff spot & WOULD give us some reasonable form going into them. Like it or not, we're in a franchise system now and we need to be fully competitive to give us the best chance of renewing the franchise (the stadium will happen so I'm not worried about that).

An earlier post suggested that JK shouldn't be blamed for the quality of the squad he's got as it's mainly inherited, but a look at the teamsheet from the survival match shows that only 4 of that team played on that memorable night were playing yesterday (JD, Hendo, Korki & Obst - Latu was on the bench). That means that JK has brought the players he wants to the club, but he persists in playing these players out of position.

If we don't make the playoffs this year that will probably mean that we have taken no more than 12 (and possibly only 10) of the last 34 points that have been available to us & that's why I think JK should go IF we don't make the playoffs.

JK may have saved us in 2006, but how long can we afford to let things continue to slide if we want to be in SL after 2011?

for me you make no allowance for the fact that we spend significantly less than the clubs we have and are likely to again, finish above. nor for the fact that barring 2004 we finished 2nd bottom every year. kear has lifted the club away from this and raised expectations, which as ever, leads people like you to question his success. it all needs to be put in context and for me he does and is doing a very good job considering

Who is going to give us the guarantee of a play off place while operating on a smaller budget to most other clubs? We need to pick up bargains and spend wisely getting the best out of 'average' players like Bibey. JK has shown that he is capable of doing this and I don't see a massive queue of available coaches who would want or be able to better what he is doing.

The main two criticisms I have of JK would be the way he seems to want to fit players into his team rather than playing players in position and the way that we seem to peak too early in the season often leaving us looking tired in the last third of the season.

It would be a lot easier to pick players in their accustomed positions if we had Blanch, Petersen, Martin & George available for selection, but as we don`t JK has to utilise who`s available. If Murphy is a Centre, as I`m led to believe, we currently don`t have an out-and-out winger available, thus making it mpossible to to pick players in their `right` positions.

ATEOTD JK didn`t do too badly against Saints did he?