DJ. I am not looking for an argument with anybody and I hope that people with any illness mental or otherwise receive the treatment and support they need, but come on if getting behind the wheel of a car when you are drunk is "out of your control" then surely you should be in a secure environment where you can not be a danger to yourself or others. Like I've said on a previous post I know a mother who lost her daughter to a drunk driving a car head on into her....I think it is totally unacceptable behaviour.
I wont be contributing to this thread anymore....i think i have made my point....i appreciate it is at odds with what others think/believe and i am genuinley shocked that my view is seen as insensitive.

Your view is exactly that, YOUR view and you're entitled to it as much as anyone else. Our views are the product of our own experiences and knowledge of a subject or circumstance and as such they're not completely wrong or completely right.

Views are often polarised by events such as the one you know of and its harder to empathise with the other party in such circumstance.

In the case of mental illness the very last person to realise they're in 'no fit state' is the one with the illness, so getting behind a wheel doesn't seem wrong.

They should be separated from the drivers who just don't give a shjt and arrogantly risk other people's lives because they think they're in control even when they've had a skinfull.

A great player and had to carry us every time he played sadly he couldn't always do it. Sadly never fulfilled his potential. The no look pass to Washy at Cas last year to win the game will live long in the memory, sad it ended the way it did but wish him well for all the good things he did do.

Avenger,
I did say that i wouldnt be posting anymore on this thread (mainly due to the fact that i think i have made my view pretty clear and i am not posting to inflame others or to "win" the argument). I do feel however that your post was great and you are right, we are all influenced by our experiences and i did want to say how refreshing it is to see someone with a differing view put it across in a way that is both adult and reasonable. Perhaps on reflection i should have said that he "behaved" like a moron rather than to say that the fella was a moron, I dont know the guy and we are all entitled to make mistakes in our lives, its just that in my opinion some things are pretty serious and for me this was one of those situations where it went beyond a silly mistake.

Really, Bi-polar disorder of which I have some experience (no it's not me) does not automatically make you behave like an . It can explain certain parts of Smith failings but by no means all.

Good luck Timmy in your career and whatever the future holds for you. i'm sure SL didn't see the best of your abilities.

Wasn't Liam Finn done for drink driving? What's everyone take on that? Paul Aiton is another. Does that mean he can never return to Wakefield?

Danny Brough was wasn't he? Team Bus in Workington IIRC.

Where do you draw the line? If Tim Smith had been done for the same thing during the run to the play offs in 2012, I'm not sure people would have been as quick to want him out. And I do believe some of those calling him would happily have Aiton and Brough back.

Wasn't Ben coccian done for DD but agar said " its his last chance "

The latest signing has also been in a fair bit of bother.... www.dailystar.co.uk/rugby-league ... on-Broncos

The latest signing has also been in a fair bit of bother.... www.dailystar.co.uk/rugby-league ... on-Broncos

When was liam Finn done for dd?

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone, mistakes are made by many admitted by few.

Tim Smith is one of the most frustrating players of the Super League era. Someone with great promise who never fulfilled it. He didn't at Parramatta. He didn't at Wigan. He didn't at Salford. In one brief and brilliant spell, he showed it with us. But it was brief, and never to be repeated.

He always seemed like a decent guy, but some players carve a reputation based upon a decade of hard work. For Tim, the back end of one season does not make for an immortal.

I wish him well in his retirement, but I don't mark his retirement with any sadness, other than the sadness of that fact.

Finn was done for DD when with us the first time round

Let's just say that his timing wasn't very good and with our SL future hanging by a thread, for me, it just magnified the stupidity of his actions.
There is no doubting his ability and he provided some magic moments but......................

Firstly, i am fan of Tim Smith the player and have been since he came to the club. I wish him well for the future.

As well as his first stint with us, in my opinion he was also good on his return from Salford (on loan) and was the catalyst to us winning a few games under Webster and staying in the league at Bradford's expense.

This year he has been bang average, but who hasnt?!

I cant excuse the car incident. Those involved have only themselves to blame. If/when the full story ever does come out, Tim's reputation will be shot further.
As it stands its done and gone and fortunately for them, nobody else was injured. We can only hope that the incident made them realise the stupidity of their ways to the point that it is something they wont repeat. Unfortunately i wouldn't bet on it as none of the people involved are the brightest!!

i think if we all told the truth we all at some time get low and turn to drink ok not the right thing to do but we do silly things and then regret it when its too late good luck all the very best to you

At a guess I'd say yours was posting on here

As meat loaf once said,You took the words right out of my mouth

Yes, but what is the next line in the song?

Never though of that

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The other people in the car shouldn't have let him drive, either.

Maybe they weren't in the car when he drove off, they could all of been out of the car when he got back in because no mention of anyone else being in the car for the second incident.