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| Quote ="upthecats"Wonder if Walker is heading down Newmarket this morning with hard hat and spade for a few pics...it's all that's missing to make his fantasy seem believable...
Well played the club on this one...looks like 99% backing from the fans...and rightly so IMO..'"
They have the backing of the Stadium Trust and the Supporters Trust. We are all united on this.
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| The only things they will take any notice of is people power,bad publicity and the club moving out of the city,so what's to be done?
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| Quote ="jakeyg95"My initial post was to do with the stadium, Vastman chose to reply with some utter rubbish which I naturally had to correct. I'm happy to leave it now.'"
The utter arrogance of you people. You and only you bought Corbyns deluded economics into this.
But thanks for correcting me.
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| dont think MC will walk away its not in his nature
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| Quote ="roverman"The only things they will take any notice of is people power,bad publicity and the club moving out of the city,so what's to be done?'"
Nothing until the end of July, lets see how it pans out from here. I've a feeling i know but given all the bluster both ways and setting of dealines in the last few days it's now a case of wait and see for the next 5 or 6 weeks and hope something comes out of it.
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| Quote ="Daddycool"What would you like clarifying exactly, as I would hate for you to misinterpret anything'"
I don't think he's asking for clarity; rather, he seems to be attempting to provide it - in that statement could be read as you and CB offering to step down from the *club* - whereas what I think, and hope, you were suggesting, is that you'd step down from the Trust if that's what it will take to get things done?
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| IN CARTER, WE TRUST
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| I fully appreciate that RW is a sneaky slimey bar steward but I don't think this is a takeover of the club, more a take over of the trust.
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| Well, it will either happen or it won't. I know that MC doesn't think it will, from seeing his tweeted response to that actual question last night. I'm just hoping that the friction is sufficiently strong that Rodders will pull it off just to annoy everyone. What worries me is that people in the know think it's just bluster to deflect the blame, and the blame will come at some point.
I do believe that there is an intention to build it. I think also, however, that the reason lies in the ability to line certain pockets, and not out of any altruistic purpose. It only works if it fills the clubs coffers. Everyone knows that the reason teams prosper in modern stadia is because of the revenues they generate, through catering and corporate entertainment. If it fails because of Rodders and Yorkcourt won't commit to that, the questions have to be asked about who was intended to profit from them.
We'll know whether we are doomed as one of our best ever super league seasons comes to a climax. Nice one Rodders.
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| Quote ="JINJER"I fully appreciate that RW is a sneaky slimey bar steward but I don't think this is a takeover of the club, more a take over of the trust.'"
You are probably right Jinjer, but we have to ask why...what are his motives ??
As has been stated on here, the people who have had dealings with him will tell you that he only ever gets involved in things that are beneficial to himself and now he has turned his back on MC and sided with Box and Yorkcourt.....I wonder why ???
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| Lord Rodney of Waterton has a ring to it
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| So does Slimy Snake
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| Have I read bits right, are the club gonna be able to increase revenue streams if a ground is Builth? Or is someone else outside the club going to profit from this?
Looking on the black side.
IF a ground is not built, will there be legal challenge undertaken? If so what has Box, RW, Yorkcourt done illegally?
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| As I said at the beginning - the value of a new facility is the additional revenue streams it can provide to the club; is the new Trust pursuing that in the same club-centric was the original Trust was, or are YC using RW because he is more amenable to a deal that softens the blow to their pocket?
And I'd still like to know if RW has any stake in any of the entities that will benefit from the proposed new arrangement.
Anywho - the ball appears to be in Rodney's court; MC has made his position very clear in the club statement, so it's over to the White Knight.
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| Quote ="JINJER"Have I read bits right, are the club gonna be able to increase revenue streams if a ground is Builth? Or is someone else outside the club going to profit from this?
Looking on the black side.
IF a ground is not built, will there be legal challenge undertaken? If so what has Box, RW, Yorkcourt done illegally?'"
Impossible to say without knowing the details of the deal on offer! I will say that we currently pay a market rent on BV plus all the very considerable maintenance costs. With a new stadium these wouldn't be as high so even paying a market rent there would be a saving there you would have thought. Plus the RFL are now going to be charging us if our ground doesn't meet standards so BV is about to get even more expensive. Again not the case with a new ground. So from that point of view it would likely be more profitable on the assumption that the rent price isn't ridiculous. The additional revenue streams are the ones that will be the sticking point. I guess we want it all day every day whilst the new trust probably wants a management company in place to run that side of things and take a cut of the pie to effectively pay for the build over time. But all guesswork right now.
As for the second part of your post from the outside they've done nothing illegal other than possibly not include Newcold in the trigger point. But even if they had that point would not have been reached yet. Now whether there is anything else kicking around not in the public domain we don't know but you would have thought if so then there'd be a stadium at Newmarket by now!
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"Impossible to say without knowing the details of the deal on offer! I will say that we currently pay a market rent on BV plus all the very considerable maintenance costs. With a new stadium these wouldn't be as high so even paying a market rent there would be a saving there you would have thought. Plus the RFL are now going to be charging us if our ground doesn't meet standards so BV is about to get even more expensive. Again not the case with a new ground. So from that point of view it would likely be more profitable on the assumption that the rent price isn't ridiculous. The additional revenue streams are the ones that will be the sticking point. I guess we want it all day every day whilst the new trust probably wants a management company in place to run that side of things and take a cut of the pie to effectively pay for the build over time. But all guesswork right now.
As for the second part of your post from the outside they've done nothing illegal other than possibly not include Newcold in the trigger point. But even if they had that point would not have been reached yet. Now whether there is anything else kicking around not in the public domain we don't know but you would have thought if so then there'd be a stadium at Newmarket by now!'"
I only ask the latter question as I've read a YEP, or Wakey express interview with CB saying they'd take their argument to a judicial review, I can't for the life of me find the article though.
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| Quote ="JINJER"I only ask the latter question as I've read a YEP, or Wakey express interview with CB saying they'd take their argument to a judicial review, I can't for the life of me find the article though.'"
FIL's post at top of page 21
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| Quote ="JINJER"I only ask the latter question as I've read a YEP, or Wakey express interview with CB saying they'd take their argument to a judicial review, I can't for the life of me find the article though.'"
I thought it was just about Newcold, could be wrong though. I think if that was the case i personally feel it would be pointless though as i think the time has come to accept that Newmarket just isn't going to get built in time under the present agreement. That trigger point will never be passed. We need to find a halfway house that works for both sides otherwise we are screwed and they know it. But if they want to make money out of this stadium they need us to be a competitive superleague side so it is in their interest not to nail us to the ground as well. Just get around the table and make the damn thing happen.
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| I wonder how much the extra streams of income, such as food and drink sold on match day are. The last owners of the club paid for other company's provide the services, but it was found out not to be in the clubs best interest. So I can see why they would want to retain these income streams
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| Quote ="djcool"I wonder how much the extra streams of income, such as food and drink sold on match day are. The last owners of the club paid for other company's provide the services, but it was found out not to be in the clubs best interest. So I can see why they would want to retain these income streams'"
Taking a simple exam, at Warrington they sell a can of John Smiths, that probably wholesales at 50p, for £4, and pour it into a plastic glass. Even with overheads, maybe looking at a quid a glass. I bet you can sell a thousand a game. Not everyone drinks John Smiths, of course, but plenty of people drink more than one. That's £40,000 profit a season just on John Smiths, which is probably a salary for a young player showing promise.
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| Yes, I would have said about the same their Slugger.
Add in though too food and hot drinks, you could be looking at more.
In one of Hull KRs bars, they have slot machines too
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| Quote ="DAVE@CAS1990"Wowzer. This statement from Mr Carter this evening has just linked all the pieces together for me. And I must say, what a devious and clever little game the other 3 parties (SRW, PB & YC) have played. Outrageous, but clearly used their years of experience in these matters to well and truly back WT into a corner.
SRW stepping down from the Trust all of a sudden, PB becoming empathetic and finding a new desire all of a sudden, the secret un-minuted meetings..... It all makes perfect sense to me now.
Forgive my pessimistic approach, but I see it in very basic terms:
They've found a way to publicly and collectively show unwavering support for the development, whilst finding a way to offer completely unsuitable terms for it from the off (MC and CB to stand down, revenue constraints etc). Hence when Wakefield reject the terms, they can walk away saying "we did all we could but WT have shot it down themselves.
What MC appears to have done, quite rightly, is say "right, ok.... If they're the terms, and we must stand down, then we shall! Off you go and get the stadium delivered!"
It'll be an interesting next move from the other 3 parties. But the opaque nature of the proceedings suggest that not everyone is working towards a common goal here.
It seems absolutely impossible to me that a stadium can be built from now, to be ready for the 2019 season, 18 months away.
They've operated like a python, squeezing and literally suffocating the life out of the club. It's a disgrace to the people who have worked so tirelessly for absolutely no personal gain.'"
Extremely well put Dave. Good that others can see what has been going on over the last seven years.
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| I Wonder if we could get other supporter Clubs from other clubs to join us in any future action?
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"
In one of Hull KRs bars, they have slot machines too'"
We used to have one and apparently didn't we pay a player once from it!
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