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| Quote ="pyeman"Neither us nor wakey are reliant on the council so in that way the economic downturn doesnt effect us, wakey wouldnt have a ground in cas and cas wouldnt have a ground in wakey, so we are left with putting one in the middle but that could still lose fans for both teams and in the end there would be only one team surviving, so we would end up with rl losing one of the few teams that could support sl rugby.
Not only that but both projects are so far down the road, that to start again would mean we would miss the franchise deadline for certain, and the whole point of the new stadiumsbeing finished as quickly is possible is for a franchise.
The outcome of a shared stadium is that one team will die, possibley both.
On the outside it would seem to me that you should move into saints new stadium as it means that you wouldnt be tenants ofafootball club and you and saints could share the running costs. How viable does this idea seem to you?'"
I don't see how a shared stadium would lose fans if it was situated between the two teams, surely a supporter supports a team not an area of grass with rugby posts at each end. Inter and AC Milan seem to manage, non of them "died"
On the Wigan point, Wigan have a 50+ year lease on the ground (DW stadium) at a nominal rent, which is beneficial to the club as far as running costs are concerned.
We won't have problem with a Superleague license, however if we were in the same position as Saints and yourselves and we were offered a groundshare with Saints in Billinge or Ashton for example then I wouldn't see a problem.
My concern for Wakefield and/or Cas is that if things don't start to happen in the next few months then one of you will be lost to Superleague at the next franchise allocation which is something none of us want.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I don't see how a shared stadium would lose fans if it was situated between the two teams, surely a supporter supports a team not an area of grass with rugby posts at each end. Inter and AC Milan seem to manage, non of them "died"
On the Wigan point, Wigan have a 50+ year lease on the ground (DW stadium) at a nominal rent, which is beneficial to the club as far as running costs are concerned.
We won't have problem with a Superleague license, however if we were in the same position as Saints and yourselves and we were offered a groundshare with Saints in Billinge or Ashton for example then =#FF0000I wouldn't see a problem.
My concern for Wakefield and/or Cas is that if things don't start to happen in the next few months then one of you will be lost to Superleague at the next franchise allocation which is something none of us want.'"
Only because you are not in that position , if you were it would
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| Quote ="Starbug"Only because you are not in that position , if you were it would'"
I concur. A lot of fans say one thing, but if the boot was in their position it would be a whole different matter.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Only because you are not in that position , if you were it would'"
Quote ="Fully"I concur. A lot of fans say one thing, but if the boot was in their position it would be a whole different matter.'"
Just so that I am clear on this.
Are you saying that you (either Wakey or Cas) would rather lose your Superleague license than groundshare at a new purpose built stadium somewhere between the two towns?
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Just so that I am clear on this.
Are you saying that you (either Wakey or Cas) would rather lose your Superleague license than groundshare at a new purpose built stadium somewhere between the two towns?'"
I'd rather us retain our own identity in our own stadium than lose our identity playing outside of our respective town of Castleford, yes. I'll follow Castleford in whatever league and I firmly believe that licences should focus more on the rugby, not the stadia they are played in. After all, The Jungle is one of the most loved stadiums amongst rugby fans so what damage is it doing in all honesty? I recognise the fact that we need contemporary facilities but don't think the amount of urgency placed by the RFL on it should take precedent over other licensing points, for instance player development.
Also, they have to take into consideration the financial state of clubs, the fact we do not have richer footballing neighbours of whom we can share facilities with such as yourselfs, nor do we have councils willing to stump X amount of funding as part-payment.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"I don't see how a shared stadium would lose fans if it was situated between the two teams, surely a supporter supports a team not an area of grass with rugby posts at each end. Inter and AC Milan seem to manage, non of them "died"'"
=#8000FFThey're also based in, shock horror, MILAN so it's the same city, Cas isn't Wakefield, it's Castleford and that's why it wont work it's as simple as that, it'd be like Wigan playing in St Helens.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Just so that I am clear on this.
Are you saying that you (either Wakey or Cas) would rather lose your Superleague license than groundshare at a new purpose built stadium somewhere between the two towns?'"
The new purpose built Community stadium at Stanley is equal distance from Wakefield City Centre and cas town centre. It's been offered to all sporting clubs in the district
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| Quote ="Fully"I'd rather us retain our own =#BF0000identity in our own stadium than lose our identity playing outside of our respective town of Castleford, yes. I'll follow Castleford in whatever league and I firmly believe that licences should focus more on the rugby, not the stadia they are played in. After all, The Jungle is one of the most loved stadiums amongst rugby fans so what damage is it doing in all honesty? I recognise the fact that we need contemporary facilities but don't think the amount of urgency placed by the RFL on it should take precedent over other licensing points, for instance player development.
Also, they have to take into consideration the financial state of clubs, the fact we do not have richer footballing neighbours of whom we can share facilities with such as yourselfs, nor do we have councils willing to stump X amount of funding as part-payment.'"
that is the problem, each club don't want to lose their identity and the Stanley community stadium is the closest your going to get to retaining it if we was going to share, Fev have made a bold statement in saying that they are willing to go it alone very brave of them but good luck to them,
both Wakefield and Castleford are strong enough in history and in a strong hold of talent but its financially whether they can keep up with the others
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| Maybe so Snowie mate, but I'd rather us fall into Championship mediocrity if it meant following Castleford, in Castleford. I would never a support a 'fake' Castleford side outside of the town. The heritage has been at The Jungle, in Castleford. We are progressing with plans for a new stadium. The RFL have to take into consideration that we have authorities that do not have the money to support two stadiums, we do not have the money ourselves in terms of sugar daddies and also the fact we're in the midst of an economic slowdown which has put constraints on any form of developments. The amount of progression we're going to make is relatively slow when thinking of these constraints. As long as we're showing a willingness to move and actually showing progression, shouldn't that be satisfactory enough for them to ensure we can move on to the other licencing factors?
If it was St Helens in this boat, would the RFL have promised to promote one side? I doubt it. Would they kick them out? I doubt it.
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| So frustrating the way the RFL is pushing reform on the league structure, with us going to Stanley and putting new footings on the boundary of Wakefield area we have excepted this as we
1 wouldn't of survived,
2 see this as a ideal place to settle down without too much upset to the community,
both stadiums are placed on the M62 corridor in which the RFL wanted to break away from still doesn't make us safe if we both get our stadiums
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| When it's built and we're in we can be like those annoying Huddersfield supporters who chant "Fartown". We can chant "BelleVue" or "Agbrigg" or "Doncaster Road"
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Just so that I am clear on this.
Are you saying that you (either Wakey or Cas) would rather lose your Superleague license than groundshare at a new purpose built stadium somewhere between the two towns?'"
Wouldn't bother me too much as I'm a Leyther , but if it was dual club stadium in Hindley for us and you lot , I'd go watching East and Miners in LEIGH
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Just so that I am clear on this.
Are you saying that you (either Wakey or Cas) would rather lose your Superleague license than groundshare at a new purpose built stadium somewhere between the two towns?'"
No what we are saying is that at the very least one of the clubs will die if not both if we ground share.
[uAt least [/uone sl licence will be lost if we share.
Have you answered my question would you play at saints new ground and what effect do you think you it would have on your club if you did?
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| I don't think a ground share at Stanley would kill off Cas if their supporters still backed them and were loyal enough to watch them there. After all they go to other grounds to watch them every other week so why not 3 mile up the road in Stanley. In fact I bet quite a few would find it easier and quicker to get to Stanley than it is to get darn't lane.
I know Glasshoughton is by far the best option but Stanley as a short term move or worse still a permenant move would not be the end of the world.
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| Quote ="Prince Buster"I don't think a ground share at Stanley would kill off Cas if their supporters still backed them and were loyal enough to watch them there. After all they go to other grounds to watch them every other week so why not 3 mile up the road in Stanley. In fact I bet quite a few would find it easier and quicker to get to Stanley than it is to get darn't lane.
I know Glasshoughton is by far the best option but Stanley as a short term move or worse still a permenant move would not be the end of the world.'"
Ultimately that would be the key, and would be the same for Trinity if they were to share at Glasshoughton. The move would require all support to remain loyal and not boycott out of protest. If they did then any stadium share would be a success, unfortunately we are all a parochial lot and the geographical boundary’s dictate what we’re willing to accept.
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| If Cas came to play at Stanley they would be playing in a community stadium built for the clubs what come under WMDC, and as such would have as much right to be there as anybody else not to mention the fact that its equal distance for both clubs. On the other hand if we had to go to G/hougton we would more than likely be playing in Cas's new ground and imo it would diminish our status as a SL side with us not having a ground of our own, and to a large extent we would be governed by them.
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| 2 clubs / 1 stadia - it WILL result in the loss of one club - full stop!
2 clubs / 2 stadia - a chance of preservation of each identity.
I'm fed up of the 'Milan' - this is bloody Wakefield, not Milan - it's like comparing a cat with a brick!
The only benefit each club can offer the other is as a bridging facility until the other has it's new ground - and in my view, you could only sell that if there was 100% certainty about the delivery and timing of the second new ground.
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| Quote ="pyeman"No what we are saying is that at the very least one of the clubs will die if not both if we ground share.
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[uAt least [/uone sl licence will be lost if we share.
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Have you answered my question would you play at saints new ground and what effect do you think you it would have on your club if you did?'"
Yes here,
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On the Wigan point, Wigan have a 50+ year lease on the ground (DW stadium) at a nominal rent, which is beneficial to the club as far as running costs are concerned.
We won't have problem with a Superleague license, =#FF0000however if we were in the same position as Saints and yourselves and we were offered a groundshare with Saints in Billinge or Ashton for example then I wouldn't see a problem.
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Fair play to Fev they firmly confirmed their position and I wish them the best. The interesting thing now is will Dick Wright do the same thing. If Cas are 100% behind the Jnc 32 project I would expect a similar statement from them.
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Fair play to Fev they firmly confirmed their position and I wish them the best. The interesting thing now is will Dick Wright do the same thing. If Cas are 100% behind the Jnc 32 project I would expect a similar statement from them.
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| I'm by no means Richard Wrights friend or even an empathizer, but why should he?
He confirm's Castleford's intentions every 3 weeks with a "big progress" statement. We all know what they want, they wouldn't have got outline planning permission for something they "might be doing". Not to say if anything happened or even delayed they might use Stanley for a few years, but i think it's safe to say Cas know where they want to be, they have told us enough times, why should Wright'y waste his time.... I think there are other things he should be spending time doing.
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| Quote ="Rogues Gallery"Yes here,
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Many fans wouldnt travel to a stadium to share with the other club, attendances would fall.
The rfl with there drive towards expansion, arent going to issue two licences for one location, which ever club lost one would suffer a massive drop in attendances with no chance of getting back in sl (though more than likely the rfl would try to force us to merge AGAIN, which means either one clubs identity will lost, like with gateshead and sheffield and thousands of fans lost to the game for ever, or a completley new side being created, and i've never met a single wakey or cas fan that would be willing to support a merged team, so that team would die).
I dont drive, i walk to matches, if the stadium was outside of cas i wouldnt go to every match, probably i would miss most, i certainly wouldnt buy a season ticket, few would, in effect our home games would be away games. Whats more it would have a negative effect on the towns economy.
Instead of sharing and killing one of the clubs off, wakefield could build there ground in stanley and we can build ours in cas, both of which boost the local economy, and allow the clubs to keep there own identity. The wakey fans can tell you about all the benefits of there proposed stadium, at cas we will have a stadium that will be more accessible (train station outside the ground, just off the m62, buses to leeds, wakey, london and hull) and have more nearby entertainment (skiing, surfing, lazer tag, cinema, climbing walls, arcades, bowling, a hundred stores and shops, twenty or more pubs, bars and resturaunts) than any other rl stadium in the country.
Its easy to say you would be happy to share with saints when at the moment there is no chance of that happening., but in 40 years if the football club kick you out, i wonder if you would be so happy about moving in with saints, i suspect not.
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| Quote ="deeHell"Fair play to Fev they firmly confirmed their position and I wish them the best. The interesting thing now is will Dick Wright do the same thing. If Cas are 100% behind the Jnc 32 project I would expect a similar statement from them.'"
=#8000FFYou mean like he does EVERY TIME this is brought up? I remember at least 5 occassions where he's stated he isn't interested in moving into any stadium with Wakey, and he's also said he wouldn't let Wakefield play out of J32 either, because it's Castleford's stadium for the Castleford Tigers, and it will be getting built contrary to what you and some of the other goons like to say. Come on, bring up your usual counter argument for it
big wow the main plan didn't happen and got delayed for 3-4 month...that's nothing at all in a stadium build (Salford have been delayed what...3 years now?)
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| Quote ="deeHell"Fair play to Fev they firmly confirmed their position and I wish them the best. The interesting thing now is will Dick Wright do the same thing. If Cas are 100% behind the Jnc 32 project I would expect a similar statement from them.'"
Rodney Walker has already publically stated that cas have said they arent interested so why would he need to?
Fev made there statement as it was suggested that they may play games at stanley.
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