Tim Smith managed it with Kirmond.

That was exactly my point.

Sometimes 2 into 1 doesn't go.

Didn't help that CC bought Lino in and stated he was the on-field organiser organiser we'd been looking for. Lono had never been such a player yet was expected to come in and as you say order the captain and long term player about. If Lino had been Cooper Cronk then yes, but with the best will in the world he isn't.

Who knows, none of us know the guys or the team dynamics but we do know human nature. Sometimes it takes a while to find your place in any organisation, now perhaps Lino can really call the shots.

Why, was Kirmond a HB? SR and HB, not likely to clash with there on field roles are they?

It shouldn't be but it's not really Miller he should be ordering around. It's the runners.

Tim Smith wasn't captain but he would physically drag a player into the right place if they didn't get it.

Tanginoa would probably be top scorer if he had Tim Smith deciding and distributing the plays.

Yup, it's all about a balanced team, and that's what a coach is there to create. Easier said than done though.

Miller was a great HB for us IMHO but that doesn't mean that Lino won't be far better with a different one. No slight on either player. In fact I'd argue Miller looked his best with Finn.

We currently look better than Worcester RUFC, who in a sport that has been awash with millions of £, has just been wound up, and owing 6 million £ to the Tax man alone, with another 15 million £ owing to the government from the RFU loan taken during the Covid crisis. I like to think RL clubs have managed things better, but who knows.

I'd forgotten about that covid loan money. Did any RL clubs dip into that offer?

Yes I’m pretty sure a number did. I think Trinity said they would only if absolutely necessery.

His point was that Kirmind was captain but Smith ordered him around.

I thought we didn't as I recall MCs comment that taking a loan was just kicking the problem further down the road.

The point myself and the other poster was making is that SR and HB are not the same position so there is no clash as the positions have different on field roles, you expect HB's to direct forwards.

HB captain being told what to do by other supposedly more dominant HB! Surly you can see there is an issue there, it’s fraught with problems as roles get blurred. That being who’s actually in charge at any given moment, not such an issue when the positions are different.

The problem with Miller and Lino was that it was obvious who the captain was but not who was pulling the string game wise, or not to me anyway. Were Miller both captain and dominant HB then fine but as CC insisted Lino was the guy to run the game so then it gets tricky imo.

I’ll be very interested to see how Lino goes as undisputed playmaker if that ends up the case.

I actually thought Miller/Lino together wasn’t to bad but I did think there was occasionally some confusion rather than competition as to who was running the show.

There was never any doubt when Finn was there and Kirmo was captain.

I remember the same but I think that was when loans were first made available. Covid lasted some time so we don’t know if it became a needs must for some clubs over time. I suppose we will never know but I’m positive the club won’t have taken any unless absolutely necessary, We probably didn’t.

I’m not sure but I think we did avail ourselves of the loans on offer but might be wrong. However I think it was short term and I assume paid off.

More of an overdraft than a loan I suspect as cash flow will have been very low at certain points in 2020 - 2021.

I have heard we did dip into the loan fund and our latest accounts show an increase in debt which I presume accounts for this. On a wider issue I believe most clubs also borrowed the funds. I seem to remember Pearson at Hull being one who borrowed quite a chunk.

Yep, like virtually all clubs I think we took out a smallish amount, but purely to keep cashflow going, I don't think we took the mick.

Ruan confirmed for Leeds. Watching him in the final last week he’s far from ready for SL and still quite raw but good luck to him as a ex wakey academy product. I suppose the 3 year deal reflects that he’s probably a longer term investment.

The club have been tight lipped so far on signings. There is no rush but would be nice to see something soon.

Still very much looking forward to how the team will shape up over the next month or so.

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I get Ruan, I don't get Hooley.

A signing or resigning coming up today?
according to John Minards on Trinity TV.

Morgan smith or lewis murphy

Just watched it, must have missed that bit?

‘By the time you are watching this… there probably will have been an announcement about one other significant signing for the club… ‘ one minute and forty four seconds into the video

You didn't need to add the last bit, I'd have believed you. Super news, hopefully.

Could it be Luke Gale

Could it be Nathan Cleary......