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Quote ="Spookdownunder"Sat in Dubai airport reading this sorry tale.... sounds to me like the council and the developer have enlisted the help of a renown public figure to politically manage a potentially very difficult and possibly litigious situation. The owners at Trinity have stated their intention of holding to account those who have failed to hold themselves to account in the past.
Clearly Rodney Walker is not an independent in this issue as his previous actions(leading to his removal from the trust) has shown. I believe that his involvement now is to throw further disarray confusion and division into the situation... and ultimately politically remove the risk factor of Carter and Beresford...
The only real movement I have seen on this issue is since Michael and Chris started to take the hard line...
My experience in risk management say first option is to remove the risk... eliminate the cause... and I see a clever yet transparent risk elimination strategy by the council and the developer...
Create a confusing diversion which might split opinion then get rid of the strongest protagonists....
There is no new trust and no agreement with the council and developer... IMO it's smoke and mirrors to divert the possibility of legal action!
And it makes me so angry!!!!'"
Just found this Yorkshire Post article from several weeks ago, and this tends to add credence to what Spook is saying...
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/cou ... -1-8477909
Box knows that he has backed himself into a corner, so evidently has enlisted the help of Sir Rodders to try and combat the problem !!
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Quote ="Spookdownunder"Sat in Dubai airport reading this sorry tale.... sounds to me like the council and the developer have enlisted the help of a renown public figure to politically manage a potentially very difficult and possibly litigious situation. The owners at Trinity have stated their intention of holding to account those who have failed to hold themselves to account in the past.
Clearly Rodney Walker is not an independent in this issue as his previous actions(leading to his removal from the trust) has shown. I believe that his involvement now is to throw further disarray confusion and division into the situation... and ultimately politically remove the risk factor of Carter and Beresford...
The only real movement I have seen on this issue is since Michael and Chris started to take the hard line...
My experience in risk management say first option is to remove the risk... eliminate the cause... and I see a clever yet transparent risk elimination strategy by the council and the developer...
Create a confusing diversion which might split opinion then get rid of the strongest protagonists....
There is no new trust and no agreement with the council and developer... IMO it's smoke and mirrors to divert the possibility of legal action!
And it makes me so angry!!!!'"
Just found this Yorkshire Post article from several weeks ago, and this tends to add credence to what Spook is saying...
www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/news/cou ... -1-8477909
Box knows that he has backed himself into a corner, so evidently has enlisted the help of Sir Rodders to try and combat the problem !!
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Partly agree and thinking of the same conclusions here as roverman.
[u[iIs SRW not wanting Michael or Chris involved with the club,[/i[/u which considerering what theyve done in past 4 years to run the club, think hes got a nerve.
Is SRW wanting to take over the reins of the club.
Well done Michael and Chris for standing up to him.
Can we not work closely with Manni and 88m group and do a full re vamp and stay put.'"
I read it as SRW not wanting Michael and Chris involved with the Trust. They would still be involved with the club.
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| The fact RW knew the Newcold building didn't contribute to the trigger point and didn't tell anyone says it all to me.
I'm glad the club haven't sugar coated the statement but the obvious frustration doesn't bode well. One thing is for sure, YC have done everything so far to get away from building the stadium and are continuing to make things difficult. As mentioned, this just seams like another strategy to either stall things further or just get MC and Chris out of the picture so they can control the situation in their (more profitable) favor. Stinks
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| I note that the statement indicates they would be agreeable to resigning from the Stadium Trust. Is this not different from the running of the club. I do not offer an opinion just clarification because it is important to avoid unnecessary misinterpretation.
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| Quote ="LyndsayGill"I read it as SRW not wanting Michael and Chris involved with the Trust. They would still be involved with the club.'"
Think you're being a bit naiive there, Lyndsay...these are devious politicians that you are talking about...I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them !!
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| I read that too that it was only the Trust.
However, would they not have to deal with each other in business terms in future communication as the clubs owners. To me it would make future dealings very awkward indeed.
I think this would be SRWs long term objectives, taking the glory not only for a stadium build, but also possible future onfield success.
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| Quote ="FIL"Think you're being a bit naiive there, Lyndsay...these are devious politicians that you are talking about...I wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them !!'"
Hopefully not that green Fil I agree that the characters involved need some watching, to say the least. I also think that if MC and CB walk away from Wakefield Trinity to be replaced by SRW or his 'puppet government' it would be the end of my 40+ years of watching Wakefield Trinity.
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| The new trust are saying building work could start later this year.
The current trust don't seem as confident but I can't see what other options we have. Am I the only one thinking we may actually get this community stadium finally built.
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| Quote ="LyndsayGill"I read it as SRW not wanting Michael and Chris involved with the Trust. They would still be involved with the club.'"
That's how I see it.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"The new trust are saying building work could start later this year.
The current trust don't seem as confident but I can't see what other options we have. Am I the only one thinking we may actually get this community stadium finally built.'"
I wish I could share your optimism
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"I note that the statement indicates they would be agreeable to resigning from the Stadium Trust. Is this not different from the running of the club. I do not offer an opinion just clarification because it is important to avoid unnecessary misinterpretation.'"
What would you like clarifying exactly, as I would hate for you to misinterpret anything
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| Quote ="Daddycool"What would you like clarifying exactly, as I would hate for you to misinterpret anything'"
I think it's a veiled question about whether you and Chris will be remaining at the club and what role you will have as owners of the club in relation to the potential new stadium?
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| I can remember when a certain person was chairman flogged all our best players Nigel wright great player remember him ,then he left saying he wouldn't preside over a clubs that's losing money the club was a mess,this management team has far more integrity and business acumen than that chaotic regime I know Who I believe and support.
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| Rodney walked a week ago. We are a family at Trinity and I for one will stick behind our great chairman that saved our bacon! I wouldn't trust Rod as far as I can throw him sad thing is this fiasco is our only option. Rodney should be facing tough questions. He has some bloody cheek wanting Chris and Michael out after what they have done for the club. Rodney needs to grow a pair and just get it done its pathetic and kindergarten stuff. I'm not going to work today until Steve leaves the office, I'm not going to my local pub anymore because Billy goes in. SRW ---- PATHETIC MAN
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| What does Councillor Box say about all this? Thought he was the new knight surely he doesn't need Rodneys say so? OR are these 2 loyal, trustworthy men in it together ???
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| I'd rather watch the team at Dewsbury than lose the current guys running the club. They'd make a better fist of that option than the two faced s trying to save their own skins.
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| Wowzer. This statement from Mr Carter this evening has just linked all the pieces together for me. And I must say, what a devious and clever little game the other 3 parties (SRW, PB & YC) have played. Outrageous, but clearly used their years of experience in these matters to well and truly back WT into a corner.
SRW stepping down from the Trust all of a sudden, PB becoming empathetic and finding a new desire all of a sudden, the secret un-minuted meetings..... It all makes perfect sense to me now.
Forgive my pessimistic approach, but I see it in very basic terms:
They've found a way to publicly and collectively show unwavering support for the development, whilst finding a way to offer completely unsuitable terms for it from the off (MC and CB to stand down, revenue constraints etc). Hence when Wakefield reject the terms, they can walk away saying "we did all we could but WT have shot it down themselves.
What MC appears to have done, quite rightly, is say "right, ok.... If they're the terms, and we must stand down, then we shall! Off you go and get the stadium delivered!"
It'll be an interesting next move from the other 3 parties. But the opaque nature of the proceedings suggest that not everyone is working towards a common goal here.
It seems absolutely impossible to me that a stadium can be built from now, to be ready for the 2019 season, 18 months away.
They've operated like a python, squeezing and literally suffocating the life out of the club. It's a disgrace to the people who have worked so tirelessly for absolutely no personal gain.
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| Quote ="DAVE@CAS1990"Wowzer. This statement from Mr Carter this evening has just linked all the pieces together for me. And I must say, what a devious and clever little game the other 3 parties (SRW, PB & YC) have played. Outrageous, but clearly used their years of experience in these matters to well and truly back WT into a corner.
SRW stepping down from the Trust all of a sudden, PB becoming empathetic and finding a new desire all of a sudden, the secret un-minuted meetings..... It all makes perfect sense to me now.
Forgive my pessimistic approach, but I see it in very basic terms:
They've found a way to publicly and collectively show unwavering support for the development, whilst finding a way to offer completely unsuitable terms for it from the off (MC and CB to stand down, revenue constraints etc). Hence when Wakefield reject the terms, they can walk away saying "we did all we could but WT have shot it down themselves.
What MC appears to have done, quite rightly, is say "right, ok.... If they're the terms, and we must stand down, then we shall! Off you go and get the stadium delivered!"
It'll be an interesting next move from the other 3 parties. But the opaque nature of the proceedings suggest that not everyone is working towards a common goal here.
It seems absolutely impossible to me that a stadium can be built from now, to be ready for the 2019 season, 18 months away.
They've operated like a python, squeezing and literally suffocating the life out of the club. It's a disgrace to the people who have worked so tirelessly for absolutely no personal gain.'"
Exactly, well said!, what's really sad is this isn't a new plan for getting a stadium, it's a way of covering some dodgy people's backs!! Unbelievable behaviour..
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| Quote ="DAVE@CAS1990"Wowzer. This statement from Mr Carter this evening has just linked all the pieces together for me. And I must say, what a devious and clever little game the other 3 parties (SRW, PB & YC) have played. Outrageous, but clearly used their years of experience in these matters to well and truly back WT into a corner.
SRW stepping down from the Trust all of a sudden, PB becoming empathetic and finding a new desire all of a sudden, the secret un-minuted meetings..... It all makes perfect sense to me now.
Forgive my pessimistic approach, but I see it in very basic terms:
They've found a way to publicly and collectively show unwavering support for the development, whilst finding a way to offer completely unsuitable terms for it from the off (MC and CB to stand down, revenue constraints etc). Hence when Wakefield reject the terms, they can walk away saying "we did all we could but WT have shot it down themselves.
What MC appears to have done, quite rightly, is say "right, ok.... If they're the terms, and we must stand down, then we shall! Off you go and get the stadium delivered!"
It'll be an interesting next move from the other 3 parties. But the opaque nature of the proceedings suggest that not everyone is working towards a common goal here.
It seems absolutely impossible to me that a stadium can be built from now, to be ready for the 2019 season, 18 months away.
They've operated like a python, squeezing and literally suffocating the life out of the club. It's a disgrace to the people who have worked so tirelessly for absolutely no personal gain.'"
Bazinga.
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| MC needs to know that the supporters are on his side and don't believe a word of Sir ( joke) Rodney Walkers lies. Even if MC agreed to everything SRW wants there is no way a new stadium would be built be 2019 its just not possible.
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| What about a massive chant of " there's only one Michael Carter" when the teams come out on Saturday night. It won't change anything but the bloke needs to know we are on his side.
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| Quote ="ball-in-hand"What about a massive chant of " there's only one Michael Carter" when the teams come out on Saturday night. It won't change anything but the bloke needs to know we are on his side.'"
By the comments on here and on Facebook re: this I think he already knows to be honest.
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| To the fat wasting oxygen thief to stick his 10k where the sun dont shine, once had a lovely chat with RW and his love of the club, would love a rematch right now I tell you. Disgusting greedy snake.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"By the comments on here and on Facebook re: this I think he already knows to be honest.'"
He does.
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| Wonder if Walker is heading down Newmarket this morning with hard hat and spade for a few pics...it's all that's missing to make his fantasy seem believable...
Well played the club on this one...looks like 99% backing from the fans...and rightly so IMO..
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