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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"I'm away on holiday so missed this breaking news.
It's not good but am I missing something. We have major problems in so much as we owe HMRC a lot of money. The club has stated that we have agreed a repayment plan with them which is being met so whilst the situation is not as we would like it looks under control. Whats the problem and all this talk of winding up administration. If we fail to repay HMRC we will be wound up - that applies to any business who owes the Revenue but if we repay as agreed we will be fine.
Am I missing something, if so could someone enlighten me.
The main worry is how we have got into this postion. Does anyone know what the debt is- is it VAT, PAYE, Image Rights, Capital Gains on the sale of the Ground ?
I'll be surprised if we are the only Club in this position but we seem to be the one that seems to be singled out in the media - why ? or is it only us ?
We need a statement from the Club explaining how we got where we are and what we are doing to remedy the situation so as to stop all these rumours and steady the ship.'"
Agree totally, the bit I dont understand is the club agreed payments with the HMRC, paid these but still had to go to court for a winding up petition? That bit doesnt make sense or is it me? I honestly dont think the club will have a problem paying the amounts owed in instalments but why the HMRC took it to court and it all became public is a mystery...
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| Quote ="Walrus"Dont worry Sandal everything is fine. As discussed by many in the know on here. Igonore what you have read in the papers and the scary words like HMRC, High court, winding up etc.
Our press officer will soon make a statement.
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| Quote ="12noon"If Cas had anything to do with off shore accounts and image rights it would surprise me with the player signings we've made. As for what's going on at Wakey though, it will all come out in the fullness of time and it might be a lot of money to pay out, but i can't see you going under because of this. See you next year.
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i would be amazed if cas were involved in this, thats if it is to do with image rights. what image rights can there be to pay on over the hill and crocked aussies and kiwis, the only one it could be at cas is goldy and if his image is worth more than £1.50 than i am a dutchman
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| Quote ="tigerman1"i would be amazed if cas were involved in this, thats if it is to do with image rights. what image rights can there be to pay on over the hill and crocked aussies and kiwis, the only one it could be at cas is goldy and if his image is worth more than £1.50 than i am a dutchman
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No Rugby League players image is worth anything thats not the point, the point is they pay them to get the image right even though they have no intention or real commercial use for it.
Its a payment for nothing in effect.
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| Quote ="Wakefield No 1"Agree totally, the bit I dont understand is the club agreed payments with the HMRC, paid these but still had to go to court for a winding up petition? That bit doesnt make sense or is it me? I honestly dont think the club will have a problem paying the amounts owed in instalments but why the HMRC took it to court and it all became public is a mystery...'"
this is the major concern to me.
If everything was agreed and under control, why the need to go to court?
I am not convinced at all, these people got us into it, therefore I am not confident they are going to be able to get us out.
to me there are too many gaps in the finance side of this club, money comes in and appears never to be seen again, which adds to the speculation about our administrators.
Rhumours appear, wether that is the sale of a player, debt or whatever, these are dispelled, denied or ignored and then bang, a player goes or were in schtuck!!!
I simply do not trust the honesty or compitency of these people anymore, and I am not on my own, clearly.
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| As I understand it, and I maybe wrong, image rite contracts can or should only be used in conjunction with offshore accounts and are normally only paid to overseas players.
HMRC think that this should be to a maximum of 15 to 20% of a players salary.
However it appears that some clubs have been paying as much as 50% to players on this way and not just overseas players.
Adeybull or any qualified tax expert are probably far better to qualify if this is correct.
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| Whatever happened here, we had the big launch then nothing as been heard since.
How much was raised ?
Did JK receive these funds ?
Nothing more as been mentioned to my knowledge, swept under the carpet once more.
So the possibility of getting to the truth on the HMRC debacle will be like watching XFiles.
[urlhttp://www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/shares-available-for-sale-i605609.html[/url
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| Quote ="The Trip"Whatever happened here, we had the big launch then nothing as been heard since.
How much was raised ?
Did JK receive these funds ?
Nothing more as been mentioned to my knowledge, swept under the carpet once more.
So the possibility of getting to the truth on the HMRC debacle will be like watching XFiles.
[urlhttp://www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/shares-available-for-sale-i605609.html[/url'"
another good example!!
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| Quote ="The Trip"Whatever happened here, we had the big launch then nothing as been heard since.
How much was raised ?
Did JK receive these funds ?
Nothing more as been mentioned to my knowledge, swept under the carpet once more.
So the possibility of getting to the truth on the HMRC debacle will be like watching XFiles.
[urlhttp://www.wakefieldwildcats.co.uk/shares-available-for-sale-i605609.html[/url'"
Maybe it's a ittle less sinister than that,i'd guess the shares thing went quiet because we didn't sell many.
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| Quote ="JINJER"Maybe it's a ittle less sinister than that,i'd guess the shares thing went quiet because we didn't sell many.'"
The club didn't sell the full allocation, but they did sell quite a few.
All those who applied recieved their share certificates shortly after.
Not sure if there are plans to make any announcement - but I suppose the answer is that for those who invested, they will now be shareholders (if not already) and will be able to ask at the next agm.
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| Will we still have a club to support by the next agm??
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| Quote ="lad13"Will we still have a club to support by the next agm??'"
Of course we will!
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| I always took no news as good news - but now i take as no news is club having the worst accountnat in the world.
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| Quote ="TRB"The club didn't sell the full allocation, but they did sell quite a few.
All those who applied recieved their share certificates shortly after.
Not sure if there are plans to make any announcement - but I suppose the answer is that for those who invested, they will now be shareholders (if not already) and will be able to ask at the next agm.'"
It's not rocket science is it TRB. The success of your project SWAG worked because you communicated with the supporters.
Communication is all is asked for. Obviously there was a lack of it with Her Majesty's as well because that situarion does not happen overnight it takes many many months to get to those kind of proceedings and usually happens when all else fails.
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| Quote ="The Trip"It's not rocket science is it TRB. The success of your project SWAG worked because you communicated with the supporters.
Communication is all is asked for. Obviously there was a lack of it with Her Majesty's as well because that situarion does not happen overnight it takes many many months to get to those kind of proceedings and usually happens when all else fails.'"
Totally flawed argument. SWAG is a supporters group not a limited company with shareholders and employees. The two are totally different.
Of course SWAG communicate, that's basically all we are here to do. There are far greater consequences when the club say anything - surely you can see that.
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| No argument Vastman. The point was the Ltd Company obviously did not communicate with the relevant authority's to let it get to that position.
I just did'nt communicate it properly !!!
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| Quote ="The Trip"No argument Vastman. The point was the Ltd Company obviously did not communicate with the relevant authority's to let it get to that position.
I just did'nt communicate it properly !!!'"
FWIW I completely agree - and always have. I have done my very best to try and get information out of the club (officially, rather than just as gossip) and I firmly believe that it is a key component to the club succesfully engaging with the wider public in Wakefield. I promise that I will continue with these aims - not because it keeps anyone happy in particular, but because I think it is the right thing to do!
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FWIW I completely agree - and always have. I have done my very best to try and get information out of the club (officially, rather than just as gossip) and I firmly believe that it is a key component to the club succesfully engaging with the wider public in Wakefield. I promise that I will continue with these aims - not because it keeps anyone happy in particular, but because I think it is the right thing to do!
'" it is they have to understand that we care as much if not more passionate about the club its what we hang on to,
I have faith that this will blow over but need reassurance that it won't happen again
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| Just when you think its all going well you end up with this, same old Wakey i'm afraid and sorry to say.
Still i'm up for a fight and the white flag won't be waving just yet.
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"[iBanaghan represents Monaghan and also warned that another of his clients, the New Zealand Warriors' scrum half Nathan Fien, will pull out of a proposed move to Huddersfield next season unless the Giants can come up with "government-approved financial arrangements".[/i
Hmmmmm.... interesting..... but probably one for the Huddersfield board.
As some people have stated on this thread, if image rights are the reason we've been clobbered with this bill, then we're by no means alone, not that this justifies any action we may have taken (from an ethical point of view).'"
You do know that link was from April 2009 don't you?
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| Quote ="Wadski"You do know that link was from April 2009 don't you?'"
Sorry, you've probably discussed this on your board already - I honestly wouldn't know - but I don't think the date of the article in this case makes it any less relevent to the general point I was trying to make, does it?
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"Just when you think its all going well you end up with this, same old Wakey i'm afraid and sorry to say.
Still i'm up for a fight and the white flag won't be waving just yet.'"
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| Quote ="chapster"actually this is a big non story!
our assets are in excess of 4 million i would guess including players and we owe not less than 300k?????'"
Players don't count as assets, because they have no intrinsic value.
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| So what does this mean for you guys? Is it serious or just a miscalculation?
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