Take Brexit out of the equation and she's been a decent MP for Wakefield.
Although they are in different constituencies, I'd take Creagh over Jenkyns all day long.

As for how the result will affect Trnity, we are more than likely heading for a hung Parliament and in fairness, the local council will have far more say, in what may happen, than the MP's

I'll put it this way if you think there are some bad people around Boris and there are, there are far worse around Corbyn. When I said I hadn't made my mind up what I should have said was I haven't made my mind up to vote Liberal and hopefully blunt both.

What I am certain about is that a Corbyn Britain, especially one outside the EU will send this country to the wall and I think people really need to take this into account. We are at risk of losing markets and investors through Brexit no doubt but with a reactionary stone age socialist like Corbyn in charge we'd have lost the above even without Brexit!

Finally, when you say 'I hear the usual argument how things will be worse under Labour and Corbyn but as pointed out no one knows but what we do is how they are now' what do you mean? They are the usual arguments because they are true since the end of the war not one single genuinely socialist government anywhere has succeeded in any way. Everyone leaving the countries they took over far worse off than they were before, please name one that hasn't, I'd be fascinated. Remember, especially on the continent, the word 'Social or Socialist' in a parties name doesn't mean they are socialists.

It's fascinating stuff isn't it

Corbyn’s ‘socialist’ policies - renationalising the railway, boosting public services, a national education service, limited worker ownership etc - are hardly 1960s Soviet era. And, whilst you may not like them, they’re generally pretty popular with voters.

Care to elaborate?

Taking Brexit out of it, I live in Normanton. The Labour candidate is one Yvette Cooper. Can’t exactly vote for her. But the way the Tories have run this country (I agree with you on that) means that I won’t vote for the Tory candidate either. I imagine this a problem a lot of Northern Cities/Towns have.

I'm just looking forward to the next smear campaign in the newspapers/national media on Corbyn. We've had the laughable 'terrorist sympathizer' to mention one...but what's next - Hitler's love child? Hates gays?

Any body who thinks MP's are interested in helping the general public are way of .They are just out to get out of the country what they can . In the 60 to half way through the 70 over 70% of the M Ps were working class . Now it's less than 7%

If voting made any difference, governments wouldn't allow it.

None of that makes any sense.

The Labour Party under Corbyn are not radical by any measure - and what he's proposing is a tried and tested model of Democratic Socialism, which is very successful in Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Finland, Canada, Ireland and others. Portraying it in any other way, is either deliberate misinformation, or a direct lift from a Daily Mail headline.

Interestingly, the stuff that really exercises the establishment - renationalising public utilities - has massive support among the electorate, regardless of which party they support. Go figure!

Bren2k What evidence do you have to support your claim that renationalisation has massive support from the electorate

None whatsoever. Evidence that is.

Its the tory party that got the country in the situation its in now. Firsstly by calling a referendum and secondly for the pack of lies banded about to win the vote The problem seems to be that no one likes to admit that they have been duped by voting leave . Dont think for one moment the referendum was called to please the public it was called to hopefully unite a divided party. When the vote went in the wrong direction it caused more problems for the party. Boris and his bus tricked many voters and when you add his totally misrepresentation on immigration he pushed the button to influence the voters. All his figures HAVE BEEN PROVEN WRONG.
At least with the Labour party they tend to paint a picture based on truth . If you honestly think our schools, NHS, Railways are in safe hands then vote for Boris, if on the other hand you would prefer to see a fairer system not based on wealth put your x net to the Labour candidate and have another chance to vote on Europe in to the bargain

Every time i think remaining is an option to be considered I see a speech or rant on twitter by Verhofstadt that confirms I voted the right way in the referendum.

Oh please not that ole chestnut!
Even if it said the real figure of 250 million what your saying is it would of swayed voters to vote remain....give your head a shake!
If it said a 100 million it wouldn't of made a difference on how people voted.

64% support renationalising the railways. Only 19% oppose it. (BMG Research, June 201icon_cool.gif

Like i said if you voted leave you are most unlikely to admit you were duped. Proves my point i think. The whole campaign was based on lies and all the figures vastly over cooked.

64% support renationalising the railways. Only 19% oppose it. (BMG Research, June 201icon_cool.gif

A good start now lets have the rest and by the way British Rail wasn't exactly the best service

Back in the day, most people thought that the earth was flat - they were later proved to be wrong.
Being a long suffering Trinity fan, I always like being the underdog

“Do you think the following should be nationalised/run in the public sector?
NHS 84% yes
Schools 81% yes
Royal Mail 65% yes
Railways 64% yes
Water 59% yes
Energy 58%

This was a Yougov poll done in May 2017. Not very current but more up to date and decisive than the 2016 referendum.

All the three main party leaders have their knockers. Jo Swinson probably more than the others.

What was the sample rate?

Just had a look, 1936. I do believe a few more than that voted in the Referendum.

Excellent example of false equivalence.

Nonetheless, you have your evidence; it was quite widely reported at the time that some of the Labour manifesto commitments had widespread support - in particular the re-nationalisation agenda - which is perhaps why they did significantly better at the last snap GE than the polls suggested they would, taking away Mrs May's majority in the process, and creating a hung parliament which has broadly reflected the similarly hung electorate ever since.

Public Utilities should never have been privatised in the first place. As Harold MacMillan said of Thatcher 'she's selling off the family silver'

I’m one who will definitely not vote for labour again, especially with Corbin at the helm , but also will not vote Tory. Everything that the election means to me is Brexit so someone is going to have to be good to sell it to me. Hope Creigh knocks on my door again, but I doubt it after last time.