OK, if you say so. Just a point. Though she wasn't in power at the time, but she had the chance to be. The election before last, Mr Corbyns first, Mary Creagh came canvasing to my house. She
(not a Corbyn supporter) was full of the joys of spring, big smile on her face. I asked her if Labour had a chance of winning the general election under Corbyn. I kid you not, I'm paraphrasing here..Oh no she said, not a chance but vote for me (anyway) I always do the best I can for Wakefield. And with this she bounded of, still smiling broadly. I was gobsmacked.
The only thing I took from this was she was more interested in Corbyn being beaten than Labour gaining power.
Not the only conversation I have had with an MP but you see where I am coming from...yes?
Maybe I did generalize a little though and for that I apologize to all our wonderful MPs

As for Thatcher and the miners. She took a gamble did she not? Could easily have lost that battle and subsequently lost power. That was a very real threat. So I disagree, the Torys hold on power was nothing like a "little political risk" Hope some ex miners can back me up on that one.

Interesting job advert for the fact checkers or Philanthropy Officers as they're known. https://fullfact.org/about/jobs/philanthropy-officer/

Interesting job advert for the fact checkers or Philanthropy Officers as they're known. https://fullfact.org/about/jobs/philanthropy-officer/

From the company website:
Porton Biopharma Limited is a limited liability company, established in 2015, to commercialise the pharmaceutical development and manufacturing capabilities at the Porton Down site in Wiltshire that were previously within Public Health England.

Sorry, I do not fully understand company law but how can a limited liablity company be government owned.
?
Genuine question.

My question is, who is the independent auditor that checks these fact checkers?
Another question to consider, as a "charity" who are the list of donors to this company?

I saw a document after the strike, that was shown to the witch, that had all the main unions on it , NUM, Steel even fishing unions and she had been advised that the NUM were the biggest threat, this was obviously written down in greater detail and if the NUM was taken down the others would follow and the rest is history. She would have bankrupt the country before loosing fight with us. The closing of my pit and others mines were a trigger point to start the fall of the heavy industry allowing future generations to gradually think they are middle class in their offices and drift towards the tories and it’s turned out to be a huge success, my opinion mind you, but Wakefield is blue for the first time so there must be some truth in it. Of course it doesn’t help though with a scruffy boring sod like Corbin .

All correct, hardly a "little political risk"

THIS

June 04, 2020
.The for Countering Digital Hate has revealed that 649 posts were reported to Facebook and Twitter,
A spokesperson for the social media company explained: "We are taking aggressive steps to remove harmful misinformation from our platforms and have removed hundreds of thousands of these posts, including claims about false cures.
"During March and April we placed warning labels on around 90 million pieces of content related to Covid-19 and these labels stopped people viewing the original content 95 percent of the time.
"We will notify anyone who has liked, shared or commented on posts related to Covid-19 that we've since removed."
Meanwhile, Twitter said: "As we've said previously, we will not take enforcement action on every Tweet that contains incomplete or disputed information about Covid-19.
"Since introducing these new policies on March 18 and as we've doubled down on tech, our automated systems have challenged more than 4.3 million accounts which were targeting discussions around Covid-19 with spammy or manipulative behaviors."
Companies
Facebook,
Twitter
Y Tube

"Automated systems" We are being censored by a computer in our own country by an American tech company.

So, a tech company i.e. facebook, twitter, Y Tube etc.
have the knowledge to decide what constitutes a cure, not just for covid-19 but presumably for everything? Notice too, offering a cure or even an opinion that runs counter to the government laws and guidelines is considered HATE ???????

Sounds like a person that is speaking out of frustration of not being heard that has driven him to being radicalised. It's no different to white skin head culture or ISIS. Seriously sad to hear he feels that way, he holds such ridiculous views it make's me wonder who is behind spreading them.

Hi Miro
Theres nothing to prevent government (secretary of state for whatever....)being the ultimate holding company of a limited company or becoming a shareholder in a limited company (example Lloyds Bank).
So with Porton Biopharma 100% of shares are allocated to Secretary of State for Health.
Highways England - 100% of shares are allocated to Secretary of State for Transport.

Porton Biopharma is just one company of the group,including NHS Property Services Ltd and Community Health Partnership Limited,but ultimately all feed back into the ultimate holding company - Secretary of State for Health (Government).

Not sure if that helps or confuses..

But they still allow people to debate nonsense like the existence of the Lockness Monster or a Flat Earth. Unbelievable.
Wish Julian Assange was still on the scene so we could expose this lot.

Quote ="MatthewTrin"My question is, who is the independent auditor that checks these fact checkers? Another question to consider, as a "charity" who are the list of donors to this company?'" This may answer a few questions. https://jonsnewplace.wordpress.com/2020 ... -checkers/ Newsguard is a browser plug-in for Chrome and Microsoft Edge that gives trustworthiness ratings to most of the internet’s top-trafficked sites. It uses a color coded system to warn readers of an article or website’s trustworthiness. In a previous investigation, TLAV writer Whitney Webb exposed the neoconservative roots of the Newsguard team. Webb wrote: “Newsguard’s advisory board makes it clear that Newsguard was created to serve the interests of American oligarchy. Chief among Newsguard’s advisors are Tom Ridge, the first Secretary of Homeland Security under George W. Bush and Ret. General Michael Hayden, a former CIA director, a former NSA director and principal at the Chertoff Group, a security consultancy seeking to “advise corporate clients and governments, including foreign governments” on security matters that was co-founded by former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who also currently serves as the board chairman of major weapons manufacturer BAE systems.”

Quote ="MatthewTrin"My question is, who is the independent auditor that checks these fact checkers? Another question to consider, as a "charity" who are the list of donors to this company?'" This may answer a few questions. https://jonsnewplace.wordpress.com/2020 ... -checkers/ Newsguard is a browser plug-in for Chrome and Microsoft Edge that gives trustworthiness ratings to most of the internet’s top-trafficked sites. It uses a color coded system to warn readers of an article or website’s trustworthiness. In a previous investigation, TLAV writer Whitney Webb exposed the neoconservative roots of the Newsguard team. Webb wrote: “Newsguard’s advisory board makes it clear that Newsguard was created to serve the interests of American oligarchy. Chief among Newsguard’s advisors are Tom Ridge, the first Secretary of Homeland Security under George W. Bush and Ret. General Michael Hayden, a former CIA director, a former NSA director and principal at the Chertoff Group, a security consultancy seeking to “advise corporate clients and governments, including foreign governments” on security matters that was co-founded by former Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, who also currently serves as the board chairman of major weapons manufacturer BAE systems.”

A bit of both lol. Thanks though, I'll get my brain on it tomorrow.

Just seen a video going round on Twitter of the police getting attacked by those wanting to “DEFEND” the cenotaph. Well well well.

Videos of white men doing Nazi salutes in front of Churchill’s statue. Oh dear.

Meanwhile the official BLM March was called off - presumably to avoid conflict at a guess.

And in India, people dying from the "fake" virus, as the hospitals are over run and can treat no more people. It's all fake news though



There are different opinions on how the world should have handled this and there are certainly self serving politicians but, to claim that all of this is fake or some conspiracy to try and "control the masses" is just not correct.
Still awaiting any explanation for the increased "excess" deaths around the world, other than covid19. ??

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1271 ... 83394?s=21

https://twitter.com/skynews/status/1271 ... 83394?s=21

What is their "beef" are they saying that black lives dont matter ?

Police stuck in the middle again. Lunatics from both sides. Put the lot of em in a field and leave em to it.

If anyone wants to dispute those figures they put out, the causes of death etc and the whole scam listen to this NY Nurse. On the u know what tube.
NOT for the feint hearted. And quick, it is getting pulled faster than people can put it up.
And before anyone calls her out, she does not dispute there is a illness named covid_19, as I don't.

Perspectives on the Pandemic | The (Undercover) Epi Nurse | Episode Nine


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1.5M subscribers

Erin Marie Olszewski is a Nurse-turned-investigative journalist, who has spent the last few months on the frontlines of the coronavirus pandemic, on the inside in two radically different settings. Two hospitals. One private, the other public. One in Florida, the other in New York.

And not just any New York public hospital, but the "epi of the epi" itself, the infamous Elmhurst in Donald Trump's Queens. As a result of these diametrically opposed experiences, she has the ultimate "perspective on the pandemic". She has been where there have been the most deaths attributed to Covid-19 and where there have been the least.

Erin enlisted in the Army when she was 17. She deployed in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom in 2003. Part of her duties involved overseeing aid disbursement and improvements to hospital facilities. While in country she received the Army Commendation Medal for meritorious service, and was wounded in combat. Erin eventually retired as a sergeant, and became a civilian nurse in 2012.
Erin is a medical freedom and informed consent advocate. She co-founded the Florida Freedom Alliance but no longer has any connection with the organization.

Ok Wrencat1873, see my previous post. It will tell you all you need to know and more.

Erin Marie Olszewski is a Nurse-turned-investigative journalist, who has spent the last few months on the frontlines of the coronavirus "pandemic", on the inside in two radically different settings. Two hospitals. One private, the other public. One in Florida, the other in New York.

Who on this thread is claiming this virus is fake? No one is disputing the existence of the virus but rather the handling of it. It's a fake pandemic propped up by the mainstream media, celebrities, multi national corporations and politicians.

As for India, lets compare this to the UK.

UK population - 67,868,549
UK total COVID cases - 294,375
UK Deaths - 41,662
UK Deaths per 1M - 614

India population - 1,379,307,780
India total COVID cases - 317,368
India Deaths - 9,109
India Deaths per 1M - 7

That's 7 deaths per 1 million people! Nothing alarms me about that figure to shut down the economy and to run for the hills in fear. In fact the UK are doing far worst than India.

Excess deaths are easily explainable

1) Ending emergency treatment - Health care capacity was idiotically reduced. Typically it runs between 80-95% capacity all year round. As you can imagine they are dealing with "saving the lives" of some very sick and vulnerable people. In addition most A&E departments are swamped with new patients 24/7 365 days a year. At the beginning of the lockdown the aim by the so called top boffins was to "protect the NHS". In practice this meant chucking half of the very sick people back into their homes to die alone or for the sick elderly back into a care home. This awful policy helped reduce the NHS capacity by 40%, thus allowing a vast sum of people to die by refusing to treat any new sick people that didn't relate to COVID19 symptoms. Furthermore the elderly too sick to go back home were encouraged to sign a 'do not resuscitate form' so the hospital staff could spend time and resource on caring for the "young sufferers". No large sums of young people ever went to hospital as any sensible doctor knows that young people don't suffer complications with this virus. Note 57% of the total COVID deaths relate to people registered to care homes. How the MSM love to push their agenda to protect the establishment by focusing on the "racist virus" that disappointingly targets the BAEM Society over "White Privileged" people. This is the same MSM that take money from the Government to cover up their scandalous behavior.

2) Over treatment - Italy and Chinese doctors were spreading incorrect information regarding ventilators. Remember the headlines "get ready, make ventilators" all fake news and the hospitals bought into it. Ventilators it turns out are extremely dangerous as they only give a patient 34% survival rate.

3) Care homes and hospitals were ill prepared and historically aren't clean. Remember the scandals over the recent years regarding MRSA and the norovirus? The same problem occurred with COVID, patients being admitted to hospital with other serious illnesses were contracting the virus in the hospitals. These places are a breeding ground for disease. In closer quarters viral loads spread far greater between doctors, nurses and patients than in any other setting. This problem was compounded by the initial lack of PPE that helped spread the virus rife through hosiptals and care homes. The lack of PPE was caused by the NHS setting up a private arm to profit from the sale of millions of PPE overseas. So much for "Sir" Matt Hancocks pledge to "save lives".

4) You do realise the COVID figurs are exaggerated? The actual number of people in England and Wales that have died in hospitals specially of COVID19 in reality is 1,318. The other deaths were recorded as dying in hospital with recorded comorbidities on their file and also having being tested positive for the infection and not necessarily the disease . If you rewind back to the 2017/18 (Dec to Mar) winter season there was over 50,000 excess deaths for this period. That was achieved without hospital and surgery closures and was later blamed on the seasonal flu that killed 26,000 people in England alone. Imagine if they closed the hospitals the excess deaths for this period could have doubled. Imagine if they'd done some serious testing on the scale of COVID testing. I'm sure with a few multiple testing kits they could have doubled it to 52,000 flu deaths by tracing for a fragment of the infection. Where was the outrage from you back then?

5) Seasonal Flu 2019/20 5 year low - 8,000 deaths were recorded as deaths with flu complications. This effectively allowed a carry over of potential targets of the flu to instead become a target for the deadlier COVID19. With COVID we don't obviously have an effective vaccine which puts those vaccinated by the flu at a much higher risk.

Miro can you add to this as you appear more knowledgeable on the data than me?

Yeah. Pity he couldn't keep his dick in his pants.

https://twitter.com/imjustbait/status/1 ... 81953?s=21

https://twitter.com/imjustbait/status/1 ... 81953?s=21