Quote ="chissitt"Could not agree more old lad we fans may have different opinions on how to get things done, in the end it's the success that matters, it certainly beats talking politics and referendums. '" If you want to have a more heated debate try this one on the loners site, could they be more patronising! viewtopic.php?f=17&t=595436

Quote ="chissitt"Could not agree more old lad we fans may have different opinions on how to get things done, in the end it's the success that matters, it certainly beats talking politics and referendums. '" If you want to have a more heated debate try this one on the loners site, could they be more patronising! viewtopic.php?f=17&t=595436

I think Howarth might want to prove a point to Salford

I only watched it on the telly but Scott Anderson appeared to be doing his bit. The Super league sats thing have him making 25 tackles, 12 carries and 68 (hard) yards made.

Which could lead us to believe that Chris Chester has been saving him and not pushing him in too early

Sio was rested for the Widnes away game....as I posted earlier in the thread, Chester said he had just seen a few signs of fatigue with Sio so say him out...which shows we've a coach who can spot these things and a healthy enough and strong enough squad to be able to rest when needed!

Anderson has surprised me. I really felt he would never hit the form he had shown previously but he certainly hasn't let anyone down!

Agree, makes a change from previous years about who we should drop etc.

For me with it being another, I wouldn't say must win but one we should be winning considering our form/confidence and the fact Salford are no mugs. England comes straight back in, Simon is a must and get Howarth on the bench. The team should be the strongest Chester feels he can put out. Obviously if there's guys with niggles, rule them out and don't risk them and as someone said above, if Chester feels someone needs a rest I'm sure he'll do what's best.

Here's my excercise in vanity!

Jowitt
Johnstone
Arundel
Tupou
BJB
Miller
Finn
Scruton
Sio
Anderson
Kirmond
Ashurst
Arona

Annakin
A Tupou
Simon
England

I would go with that.

Howarth distribution from acting half is too slow in my opinion and others can slot in for a brief spell if sio needs a rest during the game as Ashurst appeared to do on Sunday.

Yes it was you I was digging at

So whats hall out for, only asking mate

Because he's not as good as Tupou IMHO.

He's tried hard this year and can be devastating in attack playing off the cuff - he's bags of skill - but this is the age of the complete player package and IMHO he still can't defend and we can't afford that - in fact no team in SL can.

No disrespect to the Championship but that's where he would really find himself, he'd be a superstar at one of the top clubs and able to play on his own terms. There is still room for the maverick luxury player there which IMHO is a good thing.

Since the start of this season every player I've had a dig at has upped their game hugely, Miller and BJB most obviously. Now I'm not taking credit for that it's just what's happened. If the same thing happens with Hall I'll gladly swallow humble pie but I don't see it. Hall appears to me to be one of those gifted individuals who turns it on when they and only they feel like it - not a bad thing in many cases but pro sport isn't one.

Bill Tupou just looked bigger, stronger and more up for it than Hall ever has. He may not be as flash but put out one good pass to Johnstone which despite popular folk law is the same as Hall manages.

Sorry, bit long winded but there you are.

Not sure if he got injured last Sunday or not, if not he probably prefers Topou to Hall in this game, can't disagree with him tbh.

Tupou is bigger and stronger, but the attack won't be as good as when Hall is in the centre
You have to choose between the lesser of two evils or the better of the two skills (depending how positive you are feeling)

I think Tupou has been playing on the right before so I'm not sure if left is better for him or whether he'd be out of comfort zone.

I don't buy that - he's scored three interceptions and off a dropped ball and that's about it - Arundel has created more tries than Hall and he's perceived as average. I'm sorry but I think people (not saying you are) are far to desperate to create a player in Hall that isn't there. It's like this perceived opinion that he's a S/O in waiting, he would be worth a punt if we were desperate and I see the logic but I've seen nothing to suggest he actually is.

He's not a Centre and unless he toughens up he never will be - he's a winger with a better attacking game and a poorer defensive game than most.

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Wow a bit in there for everybody


A bit of humility a bit of bravado coupled with arrogance, even a tongue in cheek apology for those who don't have the same appetite as his good self when it comes to dishing out insults.
He even admits to being a plonker presumably for the sympathy vote but tempers that with the excuse that if your not happy then don't come on the Wakey board, the most laughable piece is when he says that no one is plain wrong, but basically it doesn't matter because if it suits my agenda whether your right or wrong you'll get both barrels without any discrimination of course as I like to be controvertial.
Not sure if you as his agent or vasty himself dreamed this up or what you hoped to achieve,
more likely to be sensationalism than modesty.

But by the same token Tupou is the same. He's a winger playing in the centre. He's doing well there, but he's had a lot of criticism for not letting the pass go, whereas Hall's problem is he can't always catch them.

Arundal imho is the best centre we have. He is a natural centre on the weaker passing side and he gets better every week.

All the centres have stepped up.
At the beginning of the season everyone thought we were weak there but with Arundal, Gibson, Tupou, Hall and Lyne I'd be ok with any of them, probably in that order though.

Your the man.

*STANDARD DISCLAIMER EXPRESSLY FOR CHISSITT BECAUSE HE IS THE MAN: VASTMAN DOES NOT GENERALLY INTEND TO OFFEND OR BE RUDE, BUT IN THE HEAT OF THE DAY HE CAN'T ALWAYS TAKE INTO ACCOUNT THE FEELINGS OF EVERY POSTER ON THIS FORUM - EMOTIONALLY FRAGILE OR NOT. IF YOU DON'T LIKE WHAT HE POSTS IGNORE HIM - I WOULD HE CAN BE A PLONKER AT TIMES - ALTHOUGH HE ACCEPTS THAT THESE DAYS NO ONE IS EVER PLAIN WRONG, SHOULDN'T EVER BE QUESTIONED AND SHOULD ALWAYS BE ALLOWED TO SPOUT ANY OLD NONSENSE OR JUST BE STUPID - HE ALSO ACCEPTS THERE ARE NO LOSERS IN LIFE AND WE ALL FINISH EQUAL FIRST - THIS SAID HE REMAINS COMMITTED TO AN EQUAL SAY WHAT YOU MEAN POLICY AND WILL NEVER DISCRIMINATE OTHERWISE BASED POSTCODE, SHIRT COLOUR OR GENDER ORIENTATION - THANKS*

Well we'll have to differ on that one, perhaps it's just me who doesn't buy the complete transformation of Hall from last years public enemy number one to this years must have.

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Absolutely amazing post, I can see that you've put plenty of thought into it, just out of interest is there no depth you won't stoop to in order to gain attention.
Unlike your good self I do not deliberately go out of my way to prolong arguments and annoy the moderators so as I won't be replying to any more ridiculous posts on the subject, do feel free to have another cheap shot as I fear you won't get many more, if that's what does it for you.

Nice one chisset

Are you sure about that?

I don't think he was completely useless in a Trinity shirt last season, he had his moments, as did Miller and a few more, but that's the point, they were just fleeting glimpses amongst the dross that the team served up last year for whatever reason. I certainly wouldn't have shed a tear if he had been released in the off-season, but it's turned out to be a blessing we hung onto him given the longish term injuries to Arundel, Gibson, Lynne and Tupou. Him being in the team has not been detrimental to the team has it? Can't remember if he played against Hull, but obviously that's the only game we have lost under Chester. You could say he was in the right place at the right time as re. picking up loose balls etc like at Leeds and being on the end of the final pass at Widnes to win us the game, but what he did against Warrington in my opinion was a bit more than just being opportunistic. The guy has talent, but yes he is generally weak defensively, wherever he plays, but at the moment like I have already stated it's not to the teams' detriment.

did anyone think we would be in this position when chris took over?? we are 2 games away from safety without having to go through the middle 8's!! he and the team have done a fantastic job,
wouldn't it be great to beat Salford and then Hull Kr meaning we are safe and we can actually have a crack at top 4!!!!!

Honestly I'm not anti Hall I see the skill levels, I just think he's a player who's out of his time - 15 years ago he'd have been a superstar.

Also I'm aware injuries were an issue last year but was just pointing out that he was the number one target of most fans last season - hats off to him for turning that one around - at least if he does leave he will be able to hold hos head high.

Hull KR must be targetting us, resting their main man Campese...