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| i would definately play mathers against cas.
love him or hate him, he can get passionate and i think he hates cas nearly as much as me!
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| Quote ="les-goose"Mathers actually might do well at centre his best attribute is his attacking ability and he would at least look to feed his wing man and his defence is no worse than Lynes but who then plays full back.'"
we were discussing this last week and I agree mathers could go well at centre or on the wing, he definitely has the heart and runs the ball with passion. His quick yards from acting half back are being missed quite badly at the moment. Unfortunately though his confidence at FB seems to be shot.
Also, whilst not reece lynes biggest fan, I think he has been one of our better three quarters so far this season.
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| Quote ="The Dreadnought"To be honest Defense wins you games and if it came to having an attacking or a defensive one i'd have defensive every time. A pro at top level should be able to pass the ball so I dont see a problem.'"
Respect your opinion but 100% disagree, in the modern game a FB should essentially be a 2nd stand off with the additional skill of being strong under the bomb and positional sense for kick returns, take your pick of any NRL full back and that will be the case
Richy needs to improve under the bomb but he ticks the others boxes
I'm not sure I ever saw Blaymire link the play in attack, one of the reasons he didn't make it IMO was he offered nothing in attack, to the best of my knowledge Holland was never involved in any attacking play as he was too slow to keep up
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| Quote ="Wildcat26"I don't think you base players attacking ability on the amount of tries they score.
Attack is creating space for other players, creating time for players, putting forwards through the gaps, your passing game, kicking game, side steps, hand offs, and controlling play.
Tim smith was instrumental in our attack last year and without him on the pitch the team was clueless yet he hardly scored any.
I think Mathers brings good attacking play for the side, but at the moment he's getting the ball in the wrong places and at the wrong time and unfortunately is playing in a team lacking any structure at the moment'"
That would be my take on it too, Tim and Richie worked very well together, I'm sure it will come with Pita/Sammut working with Richie too. Just a question of time but it will come
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| Quote ="musson"Respect your opinion but 100% disagree, in the modern game a FB should essentially be a 2nd stand off with the additional skill of being strong under the bomb and positional sense for kick returns, take your pick of any NRL full back and that will be the case
Richy needs to improve under the bomb but he ticks the others boxes
I'm not sure I ever saw Blaymire link the play in attack, one of the reasons he didn't make it IMO was he offered nothing in attack,[i[u to the best of my knowledge Holland was never involved in any attacking play[/u[/i as he was too slow to keep up'"
Saw him score a good try against London when they played at Brentford., went about 30 yards to score.
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| Go bk to basics drop Sykes and washbrook. Mathers ain't great but I would have him at full bk.
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| Quote ="miamivice"i would definately play mathers against cas.
love him or hate him, he can get passionate and i think he hates cas nearly as much as me!'"
i think mathers hates millward not cas,he still has alot of friends over at cas
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| Can't agree with your reasons given for mathers to do well as a winger or centre captain he hasn't got the heart , runs the ball feeble ,and I've never see him do anything quick ,but that's just my opinion bet you'll have loads fighting to back you up
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| Mathers track record for us against cas is pretty good so would give him a shirt.
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| Quote ="try scorer"Can't agree with your reasons given for mathers to do well as a winger or centre captain he hasn't got the heart , runs the ball feeble ,and I've never see him do anything quick ,but that's just my opinion bet you'll have loads fighting to back you up'"
I think people justifiably doubt Mathers' defence but, for the life of me I cannot understand you doubting his attacking flair!
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| The only thing he can do is if he's time can produce a decent pass, can't break a tackle,as no pace at all ,how can you say he's got attacking flair, to possess that youve got to be able to beat a man there's no way he can do that
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| One of our biggest weapons over the last couple of seasons in my opinion was the amount of work running the ball quickly from acting halfback, primarily done by fox cockayne and mathers. This took a load of donkey work off our forwards making them more effective in attack.
With cockayne gone and if mathers is not playing no one is picking up this role and as a result we are not managing to get on the front foot.
As with all players there are strengths and weaknesses to his game.
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| Quote ="try scorer"The only thing he can do is if he's time can produce a decent pass, can't break a tackle,as no pace at all ,how can you say he's got attacking flair, to possess that youve got to be able to beat a man there's no way he can do that'"
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| Quote ="try scorer"The only thing he can do is if he's time can produce a decent pass, can't break a tackle,as no pace at all ,how can you say he's got attacking flair, to possess that youve got to be able to beat a man there's no way he can do that'"
Well we're all entitled to our opinion and how we see things and I respect yours.
That said, I think he has reasonable pace, can beat a man and his passing when in the line is good enough. I am yet to be convinced that Sammut is better than Mathers at fullback. Personally I would put RM at fullback and Sammut back to No.6 and stop messing about moving players from their best positions.
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| Sammut back at 6 but what about Trying Siejka at 1 if Mathers is deemed off form? He's played there in Australia.
Wildie should then back up McShane at 9.
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| asmadasa - why not try it still think I would put Mathers at centre as Lyne is ok going forward but don't look to feed his wing man or create space for him and his defence leaves a lot to be desired.Mathers would look to make space and feed his wing man if played centre and has a far better rugby brain than Lyne who for me is a sprinter who plays rugby as opposed to a rugby player who has speed to burn.
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| Imo he is well past his sell by date as a SL PLAYER .The proof being no other club wanted him during our Fire Sale. Also if the releasing of Lee Smith enabled the club to sign the quality of Sammut and Scruton I wonder who we could replace him with .
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| Quote ="sandaltrinityfan"Well we're all entitled to our opinion and how we see things and I respect yours.
That said, I think he has reasonable pace, can beat a man and his passing when in the line is good enough. I am yet to be convinced that Sammut is better than Mathers at fullback. Personally I would put RM at fullback and Sammut back to No.6 and stop messing about moving players from their best positions.'"
I've just watched Mitch Achurch out-pace him to the line and Mathers had a 5 metre head start. I'd put Richie at fullback and that's only not to disrupt the halfbacks.
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| Quote ="sandaltrinityfan"Well we're all entitled to our opinion and how we see things and I respect yours.
That said, I think he has reasonable pace, can beat a man and his passing when in the line is good enough. I am yet to be convinced that Sammut is better than Mathers at fullback. Personally I would put RM at fullback and Sammut back to No.6 and stop messing about moving players from their best positions.'"
Totally agree. Godinet and Sammut the halfs. Stop messing around with Sykes. Mathers at fullback
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| Quote ="Adam_Harrison9"I've just watched Mitch Achurch out-pace him to the line and Mathers had a 5 metre head start. I'd put Richie at fullback and that's only not to disrupt the halfbacks.'"
Fair to say Richie doesn't have much pace these days but he still is probably the best option we have at fullback.
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| very disappointed with his exit at the end of the game, head down defeatist's attitude looked like a right sulk or I'm I reading into something wrong
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| Quote ="snowie"very disappointed with his exit at the end of the game, head down defeatist's attitude looked like a right sulk or I'm I reading into something wrong'"
His whole demeanor throughout the match was nothing short of disgraceful. The only thing he did of any note was start a fight.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"His whole demeanor throughout the match was nothing short of disgraceful. The only thing he did of any note was start a fight.'" I agree, its not something I like to see players getting bagged but I hate to see anyone showing a sulking selfish attitude, these are professionals and are paid some highly to do a job
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| Quote ="snowie"I agree, its not something I like to see players getting bagged but I hate to see anyone showing a sulking selfish attitude, these are professionals and are paid some highly to do a job'"
With Kirmond off the field I assume he was captain too. Compare and contrast. One man had to be dragged off the field, the other didn't want to be on it.
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| Always called him a showman who tried to impress the fans throwing his arms about as if he was organising things,he certainly didn't fool me ,now supporters have cottened on to his antics and can't run the show, he's been seen in is true colours
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