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| I like how the council keep pointing to these other sites when there's a perfect site there ready and waiting with plans already drawn up....If only we had a council that wasn't willing to bend over to greedy business men
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| Quote ="FIL"Access road to where ????
Junction 40 or 41 of the M1 are the nearest motorway junctions...are they going to build a skyway over Flanshaw and Peacock or Wrenthorpe ????
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Don’t get your point? it would be like loads of other City/town central stadia. City centre parking, park and ride boost City Centre footfall, walking distance from train station easier walking distance than Belle Vue for most fans. Knowing the list of other failed projects it probably won’t happen but access won’t be the reason why.
Pint in the Peacock pre match
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| Location perfect but access no
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| Oír of curiosity, how far down Balne Lane is it. Bit spent much time on there in past 20 years or so. I used to know it around Balne Lane WMC.
Alternatively, Wakefield City, if coming from Thornes Road, how about pre match pint at bottom of Westgate
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"I’d suggest you take it with a pinch of salt. Won’t happen for many reasons. That’ll will not stop the council peddling the myth for a few months though. There’s more chance of it being built in MC’s back garden.
Put it this way, if the club were to align on this project then Manni Hussain would have BV as rubble before you know it. It would then be redeveloped for a mix of small community use pitches and mainly commercial. So it would be gone for good. Win for 88M. We would have nowhere to go as Newmarket is as likely as Monty Pythons Norwegian Blue Parrot taking flight and the reserved matters planning keeps getting kicked into the long grass until a point comes where we have conceded it won’t happen. Time constraints mean that time is close. Then the planning will go through. Yorkcourt win. Balne Lane is a smoke screen designed to throw people off the scent. The council appear helpful, we are made out to be the bad boys. We move out of the area, the council wash hands of all responsibility. Council win. See a trend here?
We have been backed into a corner with only one card left to play and it’s the ‘hope it all kicks off if we leave the city one’. Sadly most of the city couldn’t give a flying and would prefer another Costa Coffee & Burger King to a rugby ground.'"
Absolutely spot on mate!
If the council had any intentions of seeing this stadium business through, there would have been something in place long before now.
I can think of many projects that have been completed in less time than this stadium saga and at much greater expense in other parts of the country.
The community stadium is for the benefit of the people of Wakefield and putting things in perspective a small cost for the benefit it will reap for the city.
WMDC are incompetent at best as far as this issue goes.
In these days of so called openness and honesty the council are bottom of the league.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Oír of curiosity, how far down Balne Lane is it. Bit spent much time on there in past 20 years or so. I used to know it around Balne Lane WMC.
Alternatively, Wakefield City, if coming from Thornes Road, how about pre match pint at bottom of Westgate'"
That’s the beauty of its location, pre match pint bottom Westgate walk up new Scarborough, pre match top of Westgate or in town and walk down to ground Wrenny Alverthorpe Flanshaw drink local and walk to ground.
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| So we have realists who know exactly what is going on here, and the odd one or two deluded fantasists who are putting forward pubs to have a pint in before the match at our shiny new Balne Lane stadium.
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| The only time it looked remotely possible that something would get moving on this was when the club/trust were threatening legal action/judicial review. As soon as we withdrew that threat the delaying tactics began all over again.
Surely the time has come to put a deadline to the council and say if nothing has happened by end of August we are going down the legal route????
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| I do agree there Fordy, certainly did seem to make them feel unseasy about the entre situation. The main concern with going down legal route on things is initial costs. Though i think in instantes like this, would be worth it
Location wise, i think in vicinity to the city centre would be good, better than Newmarket, just not too sure regarding road networks.
Nothing wrong gastric i think in a bit of harmless banter about pre match pints. BV used to have a few, within a stones throw from the ground not too long ago, and they all got full
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| Quote ="sandcat20"There are several points here. I grew up on Balne Lane and spent most of my time on those playing fields which we used to call "The Tips". It may sound like a peculiar name until you realise that that is just what they were at one time - the council rubbish dump!. Once they had got to a suitable level some soil was dumped on top and playing fields created. This was back in the late 40's, early 50's. They were then OK for a long time with football and rugby pitches, a cricket pitch (tarmac!) and a building for changing rooms. Eventually it fell into disrepair due to lack of maintenance. Many, many years later I worked at Wakefield College and I was asked if I knew anything about the playing fields. I think that the college owned them at that point and was looking at selling them off as building land to get some money. However there was this clause about community use. The problem for the college was they couldn't be used as sports fields due to broken glass, tin cans and all sorts of other stuff from the council tip days being exposed by erosion etc. It would have been too expensive to dig it out to a sufficient depth, make sure there weren't any nasties like asbestos in it and then deposit an enormous amount of topsoil on it. In the end nothing happened and the site is as it is at the moment - a right headache for whoever owns it. I reckon that the cost of "rehabilitating" the land would be too much for anyone given the covenant on the land.
The next point is access. The streets around the site are all very narrow with a limited number of approaches. At Belle Vue you can approach from 4 different directions with ease. With Balne Lane playing fields there is only Balne Lane itself which is not very wide and has on street parking. There is no road to the fields themselves, only a small lane with a bridge that could not take the weight (literally and figuratively) of the traffic. It is wide enough for one car width and would probably collapse under weight of a decent 4x4!
Linked to that point is the access from town via Balne Lane. There is a bridge under the main Westgate - Leeds main line. This isn't wide enough for 2 cars to pass in compfort and give way markings have been put on the down side to avoid problems. Anyone who goes that way at rush hour can tell you what a problem it is. It could not carry all the match day traffic from the north of the city. From other direction traffic would have to go through Flanshaw Estate, again with narrow roads. There is no way that any planning officer could approve such a plan without enormous road changes with (probably) astronomic expense. WMDC doesn't have that kind of money.
I could go on but it's becoming an essay rather than a post so I'll shut up now except to say it seems a load of b******s!'"
M'lud I refer you to my previous evidence in this case and respectfully draw your attention to the last sentence.
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| I'm not sure access would be an issue necessarily, as who expects to park right next to the ground? It's more akin to the Warrington ground, in that it is very close to the city centre, is a very short walk from Westgate station, and it is surrounded by housing estates that can be approached from other directions. The only point of access that is bad is the immediate approach under the railway bridge (would the team coach fit under it).
The likelihood is that there would be parking restrictions on many of the streets, but if you think how far you currently walk to Belle Vue, I bet you can easily find somewhere to park the same distance away. Very few get to park on the ground.
Having said that, what there doesn't appear to be is an entrance to the fields that could accommodate the contractors and it would be very hidden away. I suspect it's merely the outcome of a meeting where Box has ordered his lackeys to find a field, any old field, just for something to say. Queens Drive was a much better option. Good plot, a visible location for passing traffic, access to a motorway close by.
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| Quote ="Fordy"The only time it looked remotely possible that something would get moving on this was when the club/trust were threatening legal action/judicial review. As soon as we withdrew that threat the delaying tactics began all over again.
Surely the time has come to put a deadline to the council and say if nothing has happened by end of August we are going down the legal route????'"
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| Big site peacock ,alverthorpe , Wrenthorpe flanshaw ,lupset ,st Johns , Newtown hill ,even Outwood are in walking distance
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| Plenty of parking in the town centre too, council car parks free on a Sunday
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| Quote ="charlie"Plenty of parking in the town centre too, council car parks free on a Sunday'"
Understand the council are considering charging for car parking on a Sunday.
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| Quote ="sandcat20"There are several points here. I grew up on Balne Lane and spent most of my time on those playing fields which we used to call "=#FF0000=#FF0000The Tips". It may sound like a peculiar name until you realise that that is just what they were at one time - the council rubbish dump!. Once they had got to a suitable level some soil was dumped on top and playing fields created. This was back in the late 40's, early 50's. They were then OK for a long time with football and rugby pitches, a cricket pitch (tarmac!) and a building for changing rooms. Eventually it fell into disrepair due to lack of maintenance. Many, many years later I worked at Wakefield College and I was asked if I knew anything about the playing fields. I think that the college owned them at that point and was looking at selling them off as building land to get some money. However there was this clause about community use. The problem for the college was they couldn't be used as sports fields due to broken glass, tin cans and all sorts of other stuff from the council tip days being exposed by erosion etc. It would have been too expensive to dig it out to a sufficient depth, make sure there weren't any nasties like asbestos in it and then deposit an enormous amount of topsoil on it. In the end nothing happened and the site is as it is at the moment - a right headache for whoever owns it. I reckon that the cost of "rehabilitating" the land would be too much for anyone given the covenant on the land.
The next point is access. The streets around the site are all very narrow with a limited number of approaches. At Belle Vue you can approach from 4 different directions with ease. With Balne Lane playing fields there is only Balne Lane itself which is not very wide and has on street parking. There is no road to the fields themselves, only a small lane with a bridge that could not take the weight (literally and figuratively) of the traffic. It is wide enough for one car width and would probably collapse under weight of a decent 4x4!
Linked to that point is the access from town via Balne Lane. There is a bridge under the main Westgate - Leeds main line. This isn't wide enough for 2 cars to pass in compfort and give way markings have been put on the down side to avoid problems. Anyone who goes that way at rush hour can tell you what a problem it is. It could not carry all the match day traffic from the north of the city. From other direction traffic would have to go through Flanshaw Estate, again with narrow roads. There is no way that any planning officer could approve such a plan without enormous road changes with (probably) astronomic expense. WMDC doesn't have that kind of money.
I could go on but it's becoming an essay rather than a post so I'll shut up now except to say it seems a load of b******s!'"
Too true about "the tips". I served my apprenticeship with a Cas stalwart and he always told me your Tetanus injections had to be up to date before you could play at Odsal as it was built over a quarry. Don't know if the same applies but you never know whats underneath as there were no restrictions in those days. I know its all to do with finance but as I've said before I'd love to see Belle Vue fully restored to some thing like its former glory. Love to park at the common and walk down as its all part of the game day experience for me.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"I'm not sure access would be an issue necessarily, as who expects to park right next to the ground? It's more akin to the Warrington ground, in that it is very close to the city centre, is a very short walk from Westgate station, and it is surrounded by housing estates that can be approached from other directions. The only point of access that is bad is the immediate approach under the railway bridge (would the team coach fit under it).
The likelihood is that there would be parking restrictions on many of the streets, but if you think how far you currently walk to Belle Vue, I bet you can easily find somewhere to park the same distance away. Very few get to park on the ground.
Having said that, what there doesn't appear to be is an entrance to the fields that could accommodate the contractors and it would be very hidden away.=#FF0000 I suspect it's merely the outcome of a meeting where Box has ordered his lackeys to find a field, any old field, just for something to say. Queens Drive was a much better option. Good plot, a visible location for passing traffic, access to a motorway close by.'"
Nail...head...hit - just more smoke and mirrors from Box and his Minions
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| Quote ="newgroundb4wakey"Too true about "the tips". I served my apprenticeship with a Cas stalwart and he always told me your Tetanus injections had to be up to date before you could play at Odsal as it was built over a quarry. Don't know if the same applies but you never know whats underneath as there were no restrictions in those days. I know its all to do with finance but as I've said before I'd love to see Belle Vue fully restored to some thing like its former glory. Love to park at the common and walk down as its all part of the game day experience for me.'"
I too would love to see BV renovated for similar reasons but more than that, I would like our disgrace of a Council to enforce the agreement to have the ground built at Newmarket! But I do love the way the club has frustrated Box and kept us a good SL side, so he can't just sit there and hope we fizzle away.
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| Quote ="Fordy"The only time it looked remotely possible that something would get moving on this was when the club/trust were threatening legal action/judicial review. As soon as we withdrew that threat the delaying tactics began all over again.
Surely the time has come to put a deadline to the council and say if nothing has happened by end of August we are going down the legal route????'"
I agree, unless something is currently going on in the background we don't know about, and Michael says not, then it is time to take legal action and this time see it through. I would go so far to say, even if that is at the cost of player signings. The stadium issue trumps that. There is no point being mollified by promises and offers from Box et al anymore. They speak with forked tongue. It is well beyond time to see this out in court
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| Quote ="charlie63wildcat"I agree, unless something is currently going on in the background we don't know about, and Michael says not, then it is time to take legal action and this time see it through. I would go so far to say, even if that is at the cost of player signings. The stadium issue trumps that. There is no point being mollified by promises and offers from Box et al anymore. They speak with forked tongue. It is well beyond time to see this out in court'"
Its ok saying (take them to court) who is going to pay the bill?
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| Quote ="Joe Banjo"Its ok saying (take them to court) who is going to pay the bill?'"
This is the problem isn't it?
I have a feeling that this would have been in court long before now if it wasn't for the outrageous and most times prohibitive costs charged by the legal profession.
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| Surely there must be a cut off point we're MC says ok that's it the council have let us down time to go legal action
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| Hi Guys, all developments have stages in planning procedure !
Land/property available then proposals then outline proposals then outline planning permission which has to be approved before any next stage !
Then feasibility & development monies - partners agree to develop a detailed
design agreeable to all parties & the LA who then pass/permission to enable process-with building control being over seeing the project to completion compliance.
cllr Box has overseen the Cas stadium project to detailed design stage which is being processed now ! See public statements. They will own that ground for £1
I am not bothered about what Cas get, I am concerned why with equal endeavour
& Equity Trinity are not treated the same ?
Trinity are not even at outline planning stage ? We are years off that yet !
We are not even agreed on where the ground should/will be & there is no agreement on funding & how trinity would pay rent !
I find this very sad now especially as our club holds the area city name, thereby lies the nub of boxes problem with identity.
He will always never find agreement to move on or agree & produce, he handles frustration with eloquence and an art form with Teflon excuses pointing to all others.
A promiser & not a do - er
Incidentally i played an active part in protest signatures years ago all to no avail
But I still say up the Trin !
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| My understanding is that as it stands because the trigger point has not been reached as yet, (With or without newcold) there is nothing to take anyone to court over...
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