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| Quote ="snowie"so after two games that line says you've given in, or are you trying to do a Mopsey'"
Come on Snowie you can do better, where did I say that.
I said that we IMO have used all our luck where relegation is concerned and the only way to avoid it is to start playing our way out of it sooner not later.
This tam IMHO has the ability to challenge for 8th spot if we could hit full potential but for now beating the other relegation teams is the name of the game - and I don't think we look motivated enough to do it same way as we were not motivated enough last year to hit top 8.
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| Quote ="vastman"You really are a politician, step forward Mr Howard.'"
I can be, but not on this occasion; I was partly right and I thanked my right honourable friend for filling in a gap in my knowledge.
Either way - using Molloy as a stick to beat Agar with is wrong, as I think the posts above prove.
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| Still think I'm wrong, an idiot, a stupid poster etc etc etc....
I got Glover spot on when the big love in began and I can assure you it gives me no joy to say it but I'm spot on with Agar.
He's lost the dressing room, anyone can see that.
Also I was right about Finn, he's a far better player than Godinet or Sammut, but hey the wrong accent and the wrong division and all the forum experts wrote him off. Mark my words that bloke will be a major factor in burying us when we play Cas - and they will absolutely destroy us on good Friday and all they are is an average team, nothing special despite the normal hype.
Hope they do because they will be doing us a favour.
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| Quote ="vastman"Still think I'm wrong, an idiot, a stupid poster etc etc etc....
I got Glover spot on when the big love in began and I can assure you it gives me no joy to say it but I'm spot on with Agar.
[uHe's lost the dressing room, anyone can see that.[/u
Also I was right about Finn, he's a far better player than Godinet or Sammut, but hey the wrong accent and the wrong division and all the forum experts wrote him off. Mark my words that bloke will be a major factor in burying us when we play Cas - and they will absolutely destroy us on good Friday and all they are is an average team, nothing special despite the normal hype.
Hope they do because they will be doing us a favour.'"
Did he actually ever know where it was?
I believe the directions to the dressing room where in a little black book Agar lost many years ago.............many chapters in the book,including - defensive structures,attacking structures,discipline,ball retention,set moves,man management of players,motivation techniques,youth development,effective use of interchanges,dropping your fav players and spotting a lemon.
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| Quote ="vastman"Still think I'm wrong, an idiot, a stupid poster etc etc etc....
I got Glover spot on when the big love in began and I can assure you it gives me no joy to say it but I'm spot on with Agar.
He's lost the dressing room, anyone can see that.
Also I was right about Finn, he's a far better player than Godinet or Sammut, but hey the wrong accent and the wrong division and all the forum experts wrote him off. Mark my words that bloke will be a major factor in burying us when we play Cas - and they will absolutely destroy us on good Friday and all they are is an average team, nothing special despite the normal hype.
Hope they do because they will be doing us a favour.'"
Finn better than sammut don't be daft. For one different types of player so hard to compare but sammut looked dangerous everytime he had the ball today. One of the few bright spots from today was his performance.
I don't think Finn has anything to offer other than a slight better than average kicking game
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| Not sure about Finn being better than Sammut - but clearly the players aren't responding to the coaching staff and Agar as it seems we are incapable to perform the basics of the game. Simple game management and attacking / defensive structures aren't there. Selection today leaves a bit to be desired too. Next two games are crucial for the season and dare I say agar.
We lose v Catalans and were in the sticky stuff as we all know losing is a habit as much as winning.
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| If we have any cash left,now would be the time for the most important signing of the season.
The signature on Agars P45.
Before anyone asks who to replace him with.......................quite frankly a cardboard cut out of Shergar could do a better job.
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| He needs four points out of the next 2 games or the arguement to keep him will be very difficult. I wasn't expecting a win today so i'm prepared to just about give him the benefit of the doubt for now but the time for just talking the talk has to stop, its now about wins now and wins only.
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| If we lose the next two it's going to be hard for anyone to fight his corner.
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| Agars recruitment strategy has left us with a back five that, bar Collis, I wouldn't pay in rusty washers. Mathers always has been a flat track bully, when the going gets tough Richie needs a change of shorts. Fox can finish and puts maximum effort in but he scares the bejesus out of me under the high ball and has bugger all game sense. Sykes is too slow for centre these days and Lyne is quick but also utter rubbish. Keinhorst appears to miss more than he plays through injury and Briscoe is still developing and probably not quite ready for superleague just yet. We need at least one decent threequarter from somewhere or we are going to struggle big time.
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| I tend to think if we loose the next 2 agar will be on his way. We then will be another 4 points down and looking for a replacement. I think we will win the next 2 and then we can all reflect. I'm not sure changing now would be the best option and for me agar will see the club through to safety. Well I hope so.
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| Oh my goodness. After the next two games we'll only have another 22 games. It will be too late.
It's a new team. Give it time.
Sammut and Godinet have both shown signs of great things when they haven't needed to play in a system. When they fit it together it will be great. I'm sure of it.
Defense needs coordination and we have none at the moment.
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| If we do it your way Poptart and give Agar "time", we'll certainly be relegated
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| I suspect Agar and Wakefiled will be relatively safe whilst the Bulls are in a mess and still in negative points. I would guess today's game wasn't one you were realistically targeting for points, although it may well have been a different matter if it had been at home.
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| In an ideal world Agar we'd sack Agar, he simply is not a good enough coach, and is record is testament to that. However I don't think we can afford to pay off his contract therefore we're stuck with him. Wonder if Wakefield Cathedral would consider painting a section of pews red white and blue, would be nice to have somewhere to congregate and pray for a miracle.......
....... Worst thing about it is I still think there's a good team in our squad, it just doesn't fit with Agar's selection policy.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Oh my goodness. After the next two games we'll only have another 22 games. It will be too late.
It's a new team. Give it time.
Sammut and Godinet have both shown signs of great things when they haven't needed to play in a system. When they fit it together it will be great. I'm sure of it.
Defense needs coordination and we have none at the moment.'"
Sort of agree with the sentiment expressed here but, Poptart, you've got to agree that the next two games are key. Lose them and we will almost certainly be bottom having lost to all the other likely candidates for relegation and with a five game losing streak to drain player confidence even more. The pressure for the rest of the season will be immense. Is Agar the man to galvanise the team to withstand that pressure and become a winning team? That will be the key question for MC etc but my feeling is, "no". I've always felt RA should be given a chance but feel now that the next two games are all the chance he has left.
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| Quote ="PopTart"Oh my goodness. After the next two games we'll only have another 22 games. It will be too late.
It's a new team. Give it time.
Sammut and Godinet have both shown signs of great things when they haven't needed to play in a system. When they fit it together it will be great. I'm sure of it.
Defense needs coordination and we have none at the moment.'"
2 winnable games coming up, we don't have time for them to gel we need some points on the board.
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| agar needs to go now before its too late,was at wigan today they was utter e,
i wont be wasting my wage no more to go watch such crap,
why is he still playing lyne??? for one
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| Cant see us paying him off and doubt he will be going anywhere this year.
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| Quote ="Wakey Til I Die"2 winnable games coming up, we don't have time for them to gel we need some points on the board.'"
Of course we need them to win, but you can't just ignore the fact that the team is going to find it difficult.
You can't just throw people together and expect them to play well.
And Kev's head I agree the next two games are very important, but not the end.
I am confident we''ll win a lot of games when we start to pick up the team work.
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| Quote ="4foxsake"In an ideal world Agar we'd sack Agar.'"
In an ideal world we wouldn't have give him the job in the 1st place.
Elston's Legacy. I bet he's laughing his chuffin head off!
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| Quote ="PopTart"Of course we need them to win, but you can't just ignore the fact that the team is going to find it difficult.
You can't just throw people together and expect them to play well.
And Kev's head I agree the next two games are very important, but not the end.
I am confident we''ll win a lot of games when we start to pick up the team work.'"
Lots of wins? Against who exactly? I think you and many others are over estimating the ability of this team, its a competitive team on paper against the lower sides but we will finish 12th at best for a reason.
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| We'll see I guess
I am sticking my neck out and saying Agar will get something good going and we will win games.
After the next two, Bradford, London, Widnes twice, Hull KR twice, and for all their lofty position I put Cas in there too.
I think well upset another couple along the way. We may run out of time to gel but I think it's there for us.
I see the bad at the moment. I'm not blind. But I think it is solved with time not sacking.
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| Wait till he describes the fight to avoid relegation 'exciting'.
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| Quote ="K-Diddy"Wait till he describes the fight to avoid relegation 'exciting'.'" it is we've been there
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