Still the case?

We can hope

As a gamble which didn't pay off, what makes Cooke worse than Ben 'off home' Jeffries?

The fact he hasn't played the last two games despite being in the 19 would hopefully suggest he is off.

On a separate note, I am getting slightly worried that Salford have not announced Gleeson signing for them yet.

gleeson had his best game of the season today..bye bye

Agree with you there. Peter Roe got the $h1t end of the stick at Wakefield. I remember him having to scratch round for players and putting young kids in for one game, kids who were nowhere near ready but it was all he was left with.

Peter came from a part-time background and struggled with the day-to-day of full time professionalism. Nothing against the guy, but he was the wrong man for the job.

It was Peter Fox's choice and he was also found wanting when it came to dealing with the modern game - particularly the idea of 'pandering' to players, which is part and parcel these days.

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least he enjoyed mad monday today with the rest of the wakey lads

If he's finished mad Monday already then he is past it and can't stand the pace.


I assume you are talking about PC and not Peter Roe.

Nice weather for them!

On Peter Fox, who thought a man who was behind the times in the early 90s could run things a decade later.

The forum is great at the minute - discussions on topics from 10 years ago. Kelly should never have got the boot…

In fact, that's it. i'm OFFICIALLY starting the "bring back Andy Kelly campaign".

All aboard for 2011 with General A Kelly!

Andy Kelly/coach.
Neil Kelly/Assistant coach.
Richard Kelly/Water boy.

Are the Kelly's to be the new Richardsons?

We can only live in hope.

I wasn't laughing at my own funny there,pressed the wrong buttons!

Aye - we believe you!

Fox was good enough to take Northern from relegation certs to joint 2nd in comp within 2 years in the early 90s. Not bad for someone "behind the times".

He was a better coach than a lot of younger men back then.

Doh,he wasn't behind the times then,it's when he was still trying to coach his teams the 90's style in 2,000 that he was classed as behind the times!

Now it's arguments 20 years old!

In fairness, the race for second was far more open then - only Wigan and Leeds fully pro and the Loiners were a joke then. Makes you misty eyed.

Wakefield made the top 8 in 1992, having recently been promoted. And with the disadvantage of being Wakefield.

The fact is, by the mid-90s then, Fox was yesterday's man.

I seem to remember that Fox wasn't brought in as coach though. He was a higher position than that, and managing the processes rather than coaching the team.
So we may have been behind the times then but it wasn't just down to him.

Also, his tactics in the 70s and 80s were all about getting the biggest pack you could buy, a decent half back and and some backs that were not particularly great but were fast.

Seems to me like a lot of coaches still do that.

Peter was brought in as Director of Rugby - and he put money IN!



He wanted Peter Roe as his man, as he saw him in his own style - thus setting the agenda. His manner with the players was 'treat 'em mean, keep 'em keen' but between his hey-day's of the 80's and 90's and coming to Trin, the game moved on and the players were setting their own agenda's and becoming 'stars' to some degree.

Nothing against Peter at all and total respect for his contribution to the game, but he was the wrong man at the wrong time for us.

to be fair id settle for a huge pack with a decent half back and fast backs. you wont win a game if your pack dont go forward, you wont create many tries without a decent half back and if your backs are too slow then any break made wont get finished off.... this is basic rugby. i think we should have reverted to this mid year

Do we need to get Steve Ferres back again to re-build the squad for a 3rd time?

maybe