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| Quote ="Redscat"How much did The new swimming baths cost? Notice they managed to provide that!!!'"
And have they not redeveloped Castleford Wagon (they call it a bus) Station and planning to redevelop the train station too?
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| Don't think the bus station was paid for by Wakefield MDC. I believe it comes under metro's funding and is in effect paid for by all West Yorkshire authorities. Ditto for the railway station.
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| Quote ="Two Points"Don't think the bus station was paid for by Wakefield MDC. I believe it comes under metro's funding and is in effect paid for by all West Yorkshire authorities. Ditto for the railway station.'"
Correct but did you really have to ruin Wilzay's school holiday.
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| Oops! Sorry Wilzay. I understand the frustration but I don't think it helps throwing in examples of what the council has afforded.
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| Quote ="Redscat"How much did The new swimming baths cost? Notice they managed to provide that!!!'"
I don't live in Wakefield so I'm not really bothered, a simple question, would you have prefered them to have been built in Castleford.
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| Quote ="wtid71"Thought exactly the same thing when I read this. Funding a community stadium is small change compared and what a fantastic asset it would be for the city. As posted many times before rugby, football, music concerts, school events etc etc
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Just as a point of note I keep seeing people saying that music concerts could be held at the new stadium. It was an enviromental health stipulation of the planning permision that this would not be allowed so that is a non-starter.
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| It seems completely and utterly idiotic that anyone would agree Planning permission for a stadium with a stipulation that you can't hold concerts there... especially a community stadium.... unless of course WMDC never had any intention of seeing it built.
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| Having a massive white box there doesn't seem very good for the environment
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| You can say that again. You can probably see it from Hull!
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| The Russians can see it from the space station.
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| It must be a very environmentally friendly white box, I would imagine the locals would prefer the odd concert.
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| Quote ="chissitt"I don't live in Wakefield so I'm not really bothered, a simple question, would you have prefered them to have been built in Castleford.'"
No, I don't !!! Don't you think that Castleford have got enough with that giant fun fair they call Xscape??
Wakefield, remember, is the LEAD city within the Wakefield MDC area not a small town with a flour mill by the river.
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| Quote ="Two Points"Don't think the bus station was paid for by Wakefield MDC. I believe it comes under metro's funding and is in effect paid for by all West Yorkshire authorities. Ditto for the railway station.'"
I believe Wakefield bus sation is actually owned by Arriva. Cas, Ossett and Ponte bus stations are owned by Metro (Combined Authority)
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| I believe you are correct. Maybe due to being built on the site of the former Savile Street Bus Depot owned by West Riding originally.
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| Quote ="Redscat"No, I don't !!! Don't you think that Castleford have got enough with that giant fun fair they call Xscape??
Wakefield, remember, is the LEAD city within the Wakefield MDC area not a small town with a flour mill by the river.'"
I'd love to discuss the success of the xscape and the Hepworth gallery along with Trinity walk and the ridings but I think your obvious bitterness towards the Cas council might have already tainted your reasoning, you like all Wakey fans want a new ground but surely you should base an argument for that on it's own merits and not on a swimming pool designed for the public use of the people of Wakefield and outlying districts.
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| I think the argument speaks for itself Walefield is the 20th largest district in the country and has no up to date modern stadium capable of hosting sporting/cultural events at a professional level. This situation should be remedied by building a new facility in Wakefield City Centre where it can be easily accessed by all residents of the district. It's not rocket science.
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| Quote ="chissitt"I'd love to discuss the success of the xscape and the Hepworth gallery along with Trinity walk and the ridings but I think your obvious bitterness towards the Cas council might have already tainted your reasoning, you like all Wakey fans want a new ground but surely you should base an argument for that on it's own merits and not on a swimming pool designed for the public use of the people of Wakefield and outlying districts.'"
The whole point I'm making chissitt is that the proposed COMMUNITY stadium at Newmarket, just like the swimming pool, IS for the benefit of Wakefield and it's outlying districts which includes Ossett, Hemsworth, Normanton, South Kirkby et al,and yes, even Castleford. You don't seem to be able to grasp the idea that Wakefield Trinity WILL NOT own the stadium.
The leader of Wakefield MDC and his fawning deputy appear to have one main agenda and that is to promote Castleford at the expense of the lead city of the area. Just look at the industrial and leisure development that is going on around the town.
As for your reference to my bitterness towards Cas council, Cas DON'T HAVE a council:it's part of WAKEFIELD MDC.
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| Quote ="chissitt"I'd love to discuss the success of the xscape and the Hepworth gallery along with Trinity walk and the ridings but I think your obvious bitterness towards the Cas council might have already tainted your reasoning, you like all Wakey fans want a new ground but surely you should base an argument for that on it's own merits and not on a swimming pool designed for the public use of the people of Wakefield and outlying districts.'"
Absolutely right - and the Hepworth is a very bad example of a frivolous investment that could have been better spent on a stadium; it's an unqualified success, and attracted more visitors in its first year of operation than a stadium would in 20 years.
With regard to Newmarket - it doesn't help that WMDC, and everyone else, refer to it as a stadium for WT; it was always meant to be a community stadium with additional facilities for sports other than RL, but nobody talks about that. As such, it's probably perceived by the wider public as a private venture, which will be of use to 4 or 5 thousand people every other week, for part of the year - hardly the kind of thing that people will get behind, in the face of competing projects in their own communities, which they would see more direct benefit from. It's perhaps a problem of PR as much as anything else.
The inevitable calls to disinvest in other things to fund the stadium are less than helpful - WMDC will never pay for it, I doubt they'll even guarantee a loan to build it, so it's a circular and pointless exercise to trawl around the district pointing out other projects that are pointless, because we personally don't benefit from them.
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| Quote ="4foxsake":2i3su7wmI think the argument speaks for itself Walefield is the 20th largest district in the country and has no up to date modern stadium capable of hosting sporting/cultural events at a professional level. This situation should be remedied by building a new facility in Wakefield City Centre where it can be easily accessed by all residents of the district. It's not rocket science.'"
E.G. a few of the cities listed below us are,but not in any particular order Cardiff,Coventry,Swansea,Nottingham,Leicester,Sunderland,Belfast,Derby,Newcastle upon Tyne,Hull and Southampton.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Absolutely right - and the Hepworth is a very bad example of a frivolous investment that could have been better spent on a stadium; it's an unqualified success, and attracted more visitors in its first year of operation than a stadium would in 20 years.
With regard to Newmarket - it doesn't help that WMDC, and everyone else, refer to it as a stadium for WT; it was always meant to be a community stadium with additional facilities for sports other than RL, but nobody talks about that. As such, it's probably perceived by the wider public as a private venture, which will be of use to 4 or 5 thousand people every other week, for part of the year - hardly the kind of thing that people will get behind, in the face of competing projects in their own communities, which they would see more direct benefit from. It's perhaps a problem of PR as much as anything else.
The inevitable calls to disinvest in other things to fund the stadium are less than helpful - WMDC will never pay for it, I doubt they'll even guarantee a loan to build it, so it's a circular and pointless exercise to trawl around the district pointing out other projects that are pointless, because we personally don't benefit from them.'"
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| Quote ="Redscat"The whole point I'm making chissitt is that the proposed COMMUNITY stadium at Newmarket, just like the swimming pool, IS for the benefit of Wakefield and it's outlying districts which includes Ossett, Hemsworth, Normanton, South Kirkby et al,and yes, even Castleford. You don't seem to be able to grasp the idea that Wakefield Trinity WILL NOT own the stadium.
The leader of Wakefield MDC and his fawning deputy appear to have one main agenda and that is to promote Castleford at the expense of the lead city of the area. Just look at the industrial and leisure development that is going on around the town.
As for your reference to my bitterness towards Cas council, Cas DON'T HAVE a council:it's part of WAKEFIELD MDC.'"
First of all I know full well that the stadium would be owned by the council and not Wakefield Trinity, it seems to me that the point you are trying to put across is that if they can build a new swimming pool in the city then why can't they build a new stadium, I don't know the answer to that and like you and so many other Wakey fans I wish it would become a reality, unfortunately atm it's not happening, the thing I'm trying unsuccessfully is pointing out to you that imo using the swimming pool as a stick to beat the council with is not the way to go and may alienate any support you might have from the none rugby people of Wakefield and it's districts.
It looks like my poor attempt at sarcasm went straight over your head with my reference to Cas council, I know full well that Castleford don't have a council, and let me just say that firstly that I don't disagree with what you are saying as it doesn't affect me but you do seem to come across as slightly bitter yourself by make references to everything the council are promoting in the Cas area
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