All the more reason for this farce to be expedited by the RFL; currently, the teams in an and around Salford, and Salford themselves, can't plan properly or have any faith in the table and their relative positions within it.

I can't imagine that they're waiting for the final pre-split positions so they can influence it with a points reinstatement - but the longer they leave it, the more they open themselves up to criticism of that being the case. The RFL have a spectacular knack for scoring own-goals in the PR department.

Date for hearing is 4th July according to Salford forum

just say they get all their points back- do you think it will be us that drop into the bottom 4?

I am thinking we are going to struggle to win any of 4 games left- our best chance is the 2 home games

I think it's the 14th.

The good news is that the good Doctor is planning to present it himself. That firstly suggests that he's been told he doesn't have a case. Secondly, it means the panel will be presented with a rambling incoherent rant for a while before they tell him to go away.

Salford, Cas and Widnes would all have to win one more game than us for that to happen.

My understanding is the 14th is the date re the crowd trouble at Huddersfield and 4th is re the points appeal

Sorry, yes, you're right.

We got joe cobb this week

And a certain J Child as touchy

Wakefield Wildcats v St Helens
Sunday 3rd July
Belle Vue Stadium
KO : 15:00
Referee: J Cobb
Touch Judges: J Child R Thompson
In Goal: P Marklove
In Goal 2: B Pearson
Reserve Referee: M Hawkes
M Com: P Crashley
Time Keeper: S MARSHALL

He will be on waving his flag #thejameschildshow

Not in support of Wakey though.

Also, Salford would have to win one more game than us out of two games, as they play Widnes and Cas. If they win either, the team they beat has to win one more than us in three games.

Bizarrely, our tough run-in helps, whereas a lot of the bottom four and our nearest rivals play each other. We don't have any four-pointers, and a lot of the results have a positive spin for us either way.

He was TJ last season against Saints when he ruled a perfectly good try a forward pass, and along with a dodgy offside try by Turner cost us the game.

We need to win 2 out of 4. Not for safety but to get people interested in the top 8 games. Last season Hull made top eight but we're that far off they didn't get the crowds to cover their overheads so ended up up making a loss.

What's wrong with Joe Cobb? He's certainly one of the better refs going.

At the risk of sounding like James Webster, we dont have much to play for if we get in the top 8.
I think the top 4 as they are, is certain to be the top 4 after the Super 8's.
Our main aim (assuming we get there) will be to get the squad as fit as possible and ready to have a real good tilt at Wire in the semi final.

The season has already surpassed anyones most optimistic predictions and whilst nobody wants us to lose any games, surely the cup is our main priority now.


Having said that, we should give Saints a good game on Sunday and if confidence returns, we may upset some of the "bigger" clubs.

I think hes up there with child and hicks as been poor and bias myself not as bad as child though

We still need to win 1 game in my eyes!!! all concentration on sunday!!!anybody know when A TOPOU is due back-

I will be counting the bottom 4 loses off - at present there are still 4 teams that could put us in 9th spot- Realistically and hopefully they could all lose this
weekend.

It's quite simple...we need one more win to all but guarantee a top 8 finish and we need to put everything into getting it Sunday...win Sunday and we give ourselves the best possible chance to prepare for a massive go at the semi final...

Lose on Sunday then we've 2 tough away games which will be tough to get anything from...we don't want to put ourselves in the position on needing to throw everything into a local derby against Cas to get 2 points a week before the semi final...

Huge game Sunday for both our top 8 and semi final chances IMO...if this poor weather does go through into Sunday we need to learn big lessons from the Leeds game and playing the conditions right...

Sunday has to be about completion and discipline - they're the things that have persistently let us down during the recent run of poor results, Shudds notwithstanding.

If we get and keep the ball, complete our sets and defend in an honest way, chances will come; if we persistently chance our arms and try to score from our own 20, we'll end up in another pickle. And don't play silly beggars with Mr Cobb - we know he's easily influenced and a bit naïve, and you can be sure Saints will exploit that - Wilkin will be in his ear all night for starters.

He can do what he wants on the night, it's mid afternoon that matters.

Welcome to pendants corner...

IF Saints lose Sun Wilkin may very well be in Cobbs ear all night too!

Like many of the teams in SL, player for player Saints are probably better than us - we all know that. However this season it's been marginal in most cases.

Now Saints caught us at their place at an understandable low point.

Now I have a very low opinion of Cunningham both as a player and a Coach and my hope is that the last time we played Saints is how he will remember us - I seriously doubt a man as arrogant as he is would have taken any notice of us since. Cunningham mass Wane look gracious!

Now he might have learned his lesson after 2 seasons in charge but I doubt it. Saints are an arrogant club as are many of their fans, but for them I can see some justification.

Cunningham is a hugely arrogant coach, something I see no justification for at all.

If we approach this game properly and Cunningham continues to be himself we have a decent chance as we do against all our remaining opposition. We can only control what team performance we give, the rest is up to him.

It would be a shame if we did make the top 8 and the games mean nothing -which is probably the way it is going to go - so yeh win as many games as we can would be nice so that interest is there ...

although my enjoyment if we make top 8 is going to come from watching the other clubs battle it out ....

we with a win and or the bottom 4 losing this weekend will put it to bed early.

And a semi final apperence to look forward to and we can all say what a season!!!