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| I'm not too sure that NM is as crucial to your immediate future as was once thought. Attendances could very well change the attitude others had towards your club, the new place and Trinity in SL.
Last year your avge crowd was 8100+ a 25% increase on the previous season.
That is very impressive.
At the last statement on this site re current season ticket sales you're around the 3500 mark. This could mean you get 4000 by the end of the month with considerably more by the time SL starts in 2013.
Should your avge gate go up to 9000, a 10% increase on 2012, or above then no one is going to vote you out of SL. That's a given no matter how ramshakle Belle Vue is. Yes I have been and stood under cover but it still isn't the greatest ground.
If your city supports Trinity by good crowd averages that will have far more influence on your Super League survival than an immediate story on Newmarket.
Best of Luck with both and I do hope you get 4000 by the 31st.
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| Quote ="Father Ted"I'm not too sure that NM is as crucial to your immediate future as was once thought. Attendances could very well change the attitude others had towards your club, the new place and Trinity in SL.
Last year your avge crowd was 8100+ a 25% increase on the previous season.
That is very impressive.
At the last statement on this site re current season ticket sales you're around the 3500 mark. This could mean you get 4000 by the end of the month with considerably more by the time SL starts in 2013.
Should your avge gate go up to 9000, a 10% increase on 2012, or above then no one is going to vote you out of SL. That's a given no matter how ramshakle Belle Vue is. Yes I have been and stood under cover but it still isn't the greatest ground.
If your city supports Trinity by good crowd averages that will have far more influence on your Super League survival than an immediate story on Newmarket.
Best of Luck with both and I do hope you get 4000 by the 31st.'"
Cheers
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| Quote ="Father Ted"I'm not too sure that NM is as crucial to your immediate future as was once thought. Attendances could very well change the attitude others had towards your club, the new place and Trinity in SL.
Last year your avge crowd was 8100+ a 25% increase on the previous season.
That is very impressive.
At the last statement on this site re current season ticket sales you're around the 3500 mark. This could mean you get 4000 by the end of the month with considerably more by the time SL starts in 2013.
Should your avge gate go up to 9000, a 10% increase on 2012, or above then no one is going to vote you out of SL. That's a given no matter how ramshakle Belle Vue is. Yes I have been and stood under cover but it still isn't the greatest ground.
If your city supports Trinity by good crowd averages that will have far more influence on your Super League survival than an immediate story on Newmarket.
Best of Luck with both and I do hope you get 4000 by the 31st.'"
All good stuff, but it doesn't reduce the importance of NM for our longer term future - no matter how many of the good folk of Wakey turn up to BV next season, it will still be BV and will still have no parking, crap facilities and be impossible to extend.
Aside from all that, we don't own it - if the BoI get an offer, they'll want to offload.
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| Quote ="bren2k"All good stuff, but it doesn't reduce the importance of NM for our longer term future - no matter how many of the good folk of Wakey turn up to BV next season, it will still be BV and will still have no parking, crap facilities and be impossible to extend.
Aside from all that, we don't own it - if the BoI get an offer, they'll want to offload.'"
But it will also still have the best pitch in SuperLeague and be the best place to watch a game of rugby on a sunny Summer day.
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| The reason why attendances are up is ur to subsidised season ticket with the intention if building out us timer base ahead of our move to Newmarket. If Newmarket didn't go ahead the ST wouldn't be reduced and thus our attendances would be lower.
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| Quote ="bren2k"All good stuff, but it doesn't reduce the importance of NM for our longer term future - no matter how many of the good folk of Wakey turn up to BV next season, it will still be BV and will still have no parking, crap facilities and be impossible to extend.
Aside from all that, we don't own it - if the BoI get an offer, they'll want to offload.'"
Whoever had the foresight to write in a covenant for BV deserves a medal.
Although I not up on all the legal stuff, I understood that we can play at BV unless another suitable facility is provided elsewhere.
What this does to BOI position, who knows.
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| If we get Newmarket..??
Would it be better to get a deal with Leeds United, to play their reserves games at Newmarket, as there is loads of Leeds United fans in the Wakefield/Castleford area and thats with out fans in the Leeds District,
So for the benifit of the club/community stadium this could be a good option...?? the New Leeds United owners when they take over could be intrested and maybe get some sponsorship for the Wildcats at the same time..??
Toughts..?
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| Haven't heard any rumours but I reckon next couple of weeks it'll be signed off and we'll all see the plans before Christmas
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| Quote ="wildycat"If we get Newmarket..??
Would it be better to get a deal with Leeds United, to play their reserves games at Newmarket, as there is loads of Leeds United fans in the Wakefield/Castleford area and thats with out fans in the Leeds District,
So for the benifit of the club/community stadium this could be a good option...?? the New Leeds United owners when they take over could be intrested and maybe get some sponsorship for the Wildcats at the same time..??
Toughts..?'"
Nah - balls to Leeds, I'll stick with Guiseley and the Clipper Logistics Stadium.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Nah - balls to Leeds, I'll stick with Guiseley and the Clipper Logistics Stadium.'"
That's what's rumoured but will Guisley join forces with Wakefield FC and take there name or carry on as Guisley but whatever happens S Parkins name just won't go away. Regarding LUFC if the takeover happens they might consider it but not with bates still in charge, they got some good crowds at belle vue but also had a lot better side than they have know.
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| I don't see no grounds for concern at all. Wasn't the idea of giving a relativity long build date of 2015 to give enough time to iron out these kind of issues that usually come up?
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| Quote ="deeHell"I don't see no grounds for concern at all. Wasn't the idea of giving a relativity long build date of 2015 to give enough time to iron out these kind of issues that usually come up?'"
When the build comes - it will be quick. It's the paperwork and procedures and 'doing things in the right order' that takes all the time, plus not everyone involved sees things in the priority order that we do.
Nothing to worry about - but all the same, I will be pleased to see us move on to the next level - which I guess will be the release of detailed plans!
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| Is that a subtle hint TRB?
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| 106 Agreement has been signed so says James Elston....
Had meetings today and things are ticking over... they won't make an announcement for little stuff.
When contracts are signed for diggers etc... then they'll make an announcement.
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| Not little stuff to us lot.
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| Quote ="mwildcats"106 Agreement has been signed so says James Elston....
Had meetings today and things are ticking over... they won't make an announcement for little stuff.
When contracts are signed for diggers etc... then they'll make an announcement.'"
It was signed months ago - it was dating that it that was a problem. That has now been done, so just a little more waiting to do.....
I'd like to reign in the expectations before they start - when we get the nod from Mr Pickles, please don't expect the diggers to turn up the next day! There will be more hurdles to jump through - including the whole detailed planning stage, although tbf, they could start digging during the detailed planning phase!
Still reckon 2015 will be the year we start life in our new home!
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| Quote ="TRB"It was signed months ago - it was dating that it that was a problem. That has now been done, so just a little more waiting to do.....
I'd like to reign in the expectations before they start - when we get the nod from Mr Pickles, please don't expect the diggers to turn up the next day! There will be more hurdles to jump through - including the whole detailed planning stage, although tbf, they could start digging during the detailed planning phase!
Still reckon 2015 will be the year we start life in our new home!
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So does that mean that YC have completed the purchase of the final piece of land that was apparently needed before the S106 could be dated?
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| Quote ="RDM"So does that mean that YC have completed the purchase of the final piece of land that was apparently needed before the S106 could be dated?'"
That is my understanding - yes!
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| Great news that the 106 has been sorted now, the SOS has had the signed but not dated version for a while now so if he’s happy hopefully it shouldn’t be too long before all the i’s are dotted and the t’s are crossed and Yorkcourt can get on with the detailed application. With this and the Tim Smith news it’s certainly a better news day than last Friday!
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| It could and should have been sorted earlier. I would say the speed of all this has been held back deliberately, probably to allow the interested parties to get all their ducks lined up before the nod is given and the clock starts ticking. Everything should have been put in place now and be pretty much ready to roll bar a little bit of detailing. The grant bids shoud be in and contracts for the B8 signed subject to full permission being granted prepared. As soon as the sign off comes I would expect detailed plans to be submitted within 6-8 weeks, then a couple of months to get them passed. Any longer and questions should be being asked as everything should really be in place by now.
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| Quote ="sixtogo"It could and should have been sorted earlier. I would say the speed of all this has been held back deliberately, probably to allow the interested parties to get all their ducks lined up before the nod is given and the clock starts ticking. Everything should have been put in place now and be pretty much ready to roll bar a little bit of detailing. The grant bids shoud be in and contracts for the B8 signed subject to full permission being granted prepared. As soon as the sign off comes I would expect detailed plans to be submitted within 6-8 weeks, then a couple of months to get them passed. Any longer and questions should be being asked as everything should really be in place by now.'"
You would hope.
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| Quote ="sixtogo"It could and should have been sorted earlier. I would say the speed of all this has been held back deliberately, probably to allow the interested parties to get all their ducks lined up before the nod is given and the clock starts ticking. Everything should have been put in place now and be pretty much ready to roll bar a little bit of detailing. The grant bids shoud be in and contracts for the B8 signed subject to full permission being granted prepared. As soon as the sign off comes I would expect detailed plans to be submitted within 6-8 weeks, then a couple of months to get them passed. Any longer and questions should be being asked as everything should really be in place by now.'"
It doesn't appear (from what we understand) that this current hold-up was expected and it is not Yorkcourt who have deliberately held anything back or slowed things down. The land transaction has taken longer than anticipated and the SoS ofice was made aware of the impending issue, well before the deadline as well, so they have known that the delay was mostly out of the control of Yorkcourt and hence the reason the SoS office have allowed them the time needed to sort this out. If the SoS office felt they were stalling and the delay was nothing but legitimate then they would not have stood for it, indeed agreement was reached on the content of the 106 prior to the deadline, so it has all been about sorting this issue so it could be dated and therefore finalised.
As for the rest of it, then much of these elements are outside of Yorkcourt control too. They have been working on outline detailed plans for the stadium and meetings have been on-going, but equally this will move as fast it will move and everyone just has to take this one step at a time. The draft section 106 does say that reserved matters should be submitted for the stadium within three months (IIRC) of the final decision and once we see the final section 106, we can see what is now legally expected under the agreement.
I know it can get frustrating, but things are moving forward and everyone seems very positive that a 2015 opening for the stadium is still more than achievable.
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| Quote ="sixtogo"It could and =#BF0040should have been sorted earlier. I would say the speed of all this has been held back deliberately, probably to allow the interested parties to get all their ducks lined up before the nod is given and the clock starts ticking. Everything should have been put in place now and be pretty much ready to roll bar a little bit of detailing. The grant bids shoud be in and contracts for the B8 signed subject to full permission being granted prepared. As soon as the sign off comes I would expect detailed plans to be submitted within 6-8 weeks, then a couple of months to get them passed. Any longer and questions should be being asked as everything =#BF0040should really be in place by now.'"
I think 'should' is far too strong a word. We are the huge beneficiaries from this vast and complex scheme and we need to allow those involved the time and patience to ensure that everything is done in the right order.
Now is not the time to be banging on to them about delays - albeit we do try and 'prompt' them from time to time.
I do believe your timescales may be a little over ambitious - and would worry that you may be left frustrated / disappointed over this.
Relax a little, give them the time to do their job - they got us this far, which is a damned site further than anyone has previously!
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| Can you give a rough breakdown on the capacities for each side of NM TRB?
The way things are going with ST's there will be a rush on to get a standing ticket in the home end. Especially with the growth of the "go north" merry band.
Would something like: the 2 seated touchline sides roughly 4k each & the 2 standing goal post ends roughly 2k each- be about right?
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| Quote ="TrinitarianWF2"Can you give a rough breakdown on the capacities for each side of NM TRB?
The way things are going with ST's there will be a rush on to get a standing ticket in the home end. Especially with the growth of the "go north" merry band.
Would something like: the 2 seated touchline sides roughly 4k each & the 2 standing goal post ends roughly 2k each- be about right?'"
I think it'll be a bit more balanced towards one side - with the main stand taking the biggest number of seats.
I believe we have to have at least 5k seats, with the overall being 12k - as it stands - but with the corners filled in it would rise to 15k.
It would be great to be in Wire's position of needing to fill the corners in after just a relatively short period. I've always been left a little 'cold' by the HJ, but with the corners filled in it's turning into the perfect RL ground, although I think standing at both ends works well also.
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