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| Quote ="vastman"You'll get used to it, his arrogance has few bounds at time'"
Absolutely correct; it comes from many years of being right. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Spot on bren
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| Agar's 'legacy' will be judged on the last day of the season. If we are in the top 12 he'll be a local hero, if we are in the bottom 2 he'll be forever remembered as our worst ever Super League coach.
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| Quote ="FIL"None of us think it's ok -KK, but I do not believe now is the right time to sack the coach. If it turns into 1 win in 14 or 15, then that might be a different matter !!'"
It will be too late by then
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| Quote ="bazzo44"thought i was the nutter on here, and who pays his contract up, is it Agars fault that players drop the ball miss tackles give silly pens away. I can see him now in the dressing room right lads go out there drop the ball, give pens away and miss tackles, not Agars fault we play dum rugby'"
Sorry but he has to take some esponsibility for it. Sure enough he isn't on the pitch but the fact is, it doesn't matter who the playes are, the dumb play and erors ae the same that have been blighting our play fo all but a handfull of gams on the end of season run. If the players change but the pattern is the same what conclusion are we to draw? Fact is, much as I cannot wait for the day he departs, we probably can't affod to sack him, so once again we will be masters of our own demise I expect. A new 3 year deal for crying out loud. On the evidence of what?
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| Quote ="vastman"Again
My opinion is based on the 2 previous seasons not just the two games this year.'"
You are indeed banging your head on a brick wall. RA is teflon coated in some people's minds
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| Quote ="trin77"Rubbish tactics, clueless team selections, disgraceful attitude to players some untouchable others scapegoats.
Under Agar we are down. Period.'"
At last someone who has noticed the same as me. All you say is encapsulated in 2 words. Reece Lyne. A player so obviously not SL standard have I rarely seen, yet he gets picked come what may. Frankie Mariano,, not the best player in SL by any means but a very useful player, especially fo a club with limited resources - RA not inteested in giving him an extended run or the same chances or the understanding it sounds he may have needed. Allegedly he had discipline issues; good coaches can manage difficult personalities (Mr Ferguson). There ae many examples. I am depressed we are stuck with him as coach. It is not about the Bradford game per se; that game typified everything that has been wrong with our play for all but about 10 of his 60+ games in charge. Thick, sloppy, stupid, ill-disciplined, disorganised and looking utterly like they had no plan at all except try to score with every play of the ball. Yes, the players have to take their share of the responsibility but, as I have said, the players change, the patterns and play don't. That is the coach for me. I hope they all read ths myself. They need a damn good kick up the backside after Thursday night
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| Quote ="charlie63wildcat"You are indeed banging your head on a brick wall. RA is teflon coated in some people's minds'"
It's a results business, what do you want from him? He's had 2 seasons, 1 playoff appearance, 1 below par season. Managed to get a decent squad together after losing key men in the off season, including our 2 best props and only creative player. Awful off season to deal with, he deserves at least 10 games.
Besides who would you replace him with?
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"It's a results business, what do you want from him? He's had 2 seasons, 1 playoff appearance, 1 below par season. Managed to get a decent squad together after losing key men in the off season, including our 2 best props and only creative player. Awful off season to deal with, he deserves at least 10 games.
Besides who would you replace him with?'"
I think people have slightly missed the point. It's really nothing to do with his actual ability and no one would dny he's had a rough close season. Nor would I deny the football we played mid 2012 was excellent.
However with P&R the whole dynamic has changed and now patient builders and thinkers like Agar are no use to clubs like us. We IMHO need motivators. Sure they will do sod all for the team long term but short term points will make prizes.
It really is that simple and for me far to many people are burying their heads in the sand and kidding themselves. There will be no Crusaders this time, our nine lives are spent.
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| Quote ="vastman"I think people have slightly missed the point. It's really nothing to do with his actual ability and no one would dny he's had a rough close season. Nor would I deny the football we played mid 2012 was excellent.
However with P&R the whole dynamic has changed and now patient builders and thinkers like Agar are no use to clubs like us. We IMHO need motivators. Sure they will do sod all for the team long term but short term points will make prizes.
It really is that simple and for me far to many people are burying their heads in the sand and kidding themselves. There will be no Crusaders this time, our nine lives are spent.'"
I think we have enough quality in the side to avoid relegation, think that we have a better squad than London & Widnes and are about the same level as Bradford and Cas.
Which "motivators" would you have in mind for the job?
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| Talking of motivators, do we ever have past players come in and remind the squad what it means to pull on the Red, Whit & Blue jersey.
I know some teams do this sort of thing before cup finals but, are Wakefield known for such things (no before finals of course, we haven't had too many of those in recent years).
A certain Mr N Fox, could be ideal for giving some inspiration ![IDEA a046.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//a046.gif)
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| Quote ="vastman"I think people have slightly missed the point. It's really nothing to do with his actual ability and no one would dny he's had a rough close season. Nor would I deny the football we played mid 2012 was excellent.
However with P&R the whole dynamic has changed and now patient builders and thinkers like Agar are no use to clubs like us. We IMHO need motivators. Sure they will do sod all for the team long term but short term points will make prizes.
It really is that simple and for me far to many people are burying their heads in the sand and kidding themselves. There will be no Crusaders this time, our nine lives are spent.'"
We may have Bradford though if don't got an owner, how long would RFL bankroll them ?
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| Quote ="vastman"I think people have slightly missed the point. It's really nothing to do with his actual ability and no one would dny he's had a rough close season. Nor would I deny the football we played mid 2012 was excellent.
However with P&R the whole dynamic has changed and now patient builders and [uthinkers [/ulike Agar are no use to clubs like us. We IMHO need motivators. Sure they will do sod all for the team long term but short term points will make prizes.
It really is that simple and for me far to many people are burying their heads in the sand and kidding themselves. There will be no Crusaders this time, our nine lives are spent.'"
Thinker! Now that is hilarious. I think i'll send a team out with no game plan or structure whatsoever. I think i'll only play sixteen players. I think ill play people out of position when we have cover. I think ill have players sat on the bench for 70 minutes when players are blowing out of their backsides. I think ill send Mariano to Fev then sign Jon Molloy. If he's a thinker lets put an idiot in charge can't do any worse.
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| Quote ="vastman"I think people have slightly missed the point. It's really nothing to do with his actual ability and no one would dny he's had a rough close season. Nor would I deny the football we played mid 2012 was excellent.
However with P&R the whole dynamic has changed and now patient builders and thinkers like Agar are no use to clubs like us. We IMHO need motivators. Sure they will do sod all for the team long term but short term points will make prizes.
=#FF0000It really is that simple and for me far to many people are burying their heads in the sand and kidding themselves. There will be no Crusaders this time, our nine lives are spent.'" so after two games that line says you've given in, or are you trying to do a Mopsey
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| Quote ="trin77"I think ill send Mariano to Fev then sign Jon Molloy.'"
This one keeps coming up; to the best of my knowledge, Mariano's departure to Cas was the result of JE's meddling - and not what RA wanted.
As for Molloy - I'm pretty sure he came to us for free, so hardly one to keep bashing Agar with.
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| Quote ="bren2k"This one keeps coming up; to the best of my knowledge, Mariano's departure to Cas was the result of JE's meddling - and not what RA wanted.
As for Molloy - I'm pretty sure he came to us for free, so hardly one to keep bashing Agar with.'"
Mariano played well for Cas last night...
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| Quote ="asmadasa"Mariano played well for Cas last night...'"
He did - but it has no bearing on what I said.
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| Quote ="bren2k"This one keeps coming up; to the best of my knowledge, Mariano's departure to Cas was the result of JE's meddling - and not what RA wanted.
As for Molloy - I'm pretty sure he came to us for free, so hardly one to keep bashing Agar with.'"
Molloy may have come for free but, he will still be taking a wage that could be spent elsewhere ?
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Molloy may have come for free but, he will still be taking a wage that could be spent elsewhere ?'"
No - my information was that he was *playing* for free, to rehab himself and try to earn a contract.
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| Quote ="bren2k"No - my information was that he was *playing* for free, to rehab himself and try to earn a contract.'"
Think your info is wrong. He trained with the team for a couple of weeks early last season prior to signing to prove his fitness, he then signed a permanent deal until the end of this season. Doubt he is on a fortune but given it is an Elston contract it is probably over the odds.
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| Quote ="Wakey Til I Die"Think your info is wrong. He trained with the team for a couple of weeks early last season prior to signing to prove his fitness, he then signed a permanent deal until the end of this season. Doubt he is on a fortune but given it is an Elston contract it is probably over the odds.'"
Sounds like my info was right at the time then - thanks for the clarification.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Sounds like my info was right at the time then - thanks for the clarification.'"
You really are a politician, step forward Mr Howard.
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| Quote ="snowie"so after two games that line says you've given in, or are you trying to do a Mopsey'"
Come on Snowie you can do better, where did I say that.
I said that we IMO have used all our luck where relegation is concerned and the only way to avoid it is to start playing our way out of it sooner not later.
This tam IMHO has the ability to challenge for 8th spot if we could hit full potential but for now beating the other relegation teams is the name of the game - and I don't think we look motivated enough to do it same way as we were not motivated enough last year to hit top 8.
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| Quote ="vastman"You really are a politician, step forward Mr Howard.'"
I can be, but not on this occasion; I was partly right and I thanked my right honourable friend for filling in a gap in my knowledge.
Either way - using Molloy as a stick to beat Agar with is wrong, as I think the posts above prove.
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| Still think I'm wrong, an idiot, a stupid poster etc etc etc....
I got Glover spot on when the big love in began and I can assure you it gives me no joy to say it but I'm spot on with Agar.
He's lost the dressing room, anyone can see that.
Also I was right about Finn, he's a far better player than Godinet or Sammut, but hey the wrong accent and the wrong division and all the forum experts wrote him off. Mark my words that bloke will be a major factor in burying us when we play Cas - and they will absolutely destroy us on good Friday and all they are is an average team, nothing special despite the normal hype.
Hope they do because they will be doing us a favour.
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