He came on, penalty straight away. Runs it in with the same impact as a 13 year old playing open age. Hands on hips after 10 minutes. The lads an embarrassment. Genuinely can anyone think of a worse prop we’ve signed then him, I’m struggling.

No club statement. Are they just burying their heads in the sand?

Hickey

Well without causing a thread drift I wouldn’t be on a Wakey forum talking about a Leigh v Salford game would I - it was more a comment as to how important it was for Wakey on a Wakey forum, now you trot on and get on with your hyperlink edits

They fact that the young Leeds team you talk about were winning until they tired in that last 20 should tell you all you need to know. This squad of ours isn’t super league quality and the coaching set up can’t make it greater than the sum of its parts. That is why we are doomed.

Very hard to take anything positive from that. Extremely poor from the majority. Big changes needed if we're going to compete with anyone this year.

The plus is Cas weren't much better than us, FC look dreadful as they're playing KR now.

Time to get our together, starting with a new coach.

For anyone watching todays game you’d be forgiven for thinking different rules apply and the referees officiate differently…


Case in point:

On 9 minutes Wigan player makes a mess of play of ball. Lees doesn’t have a hand on him. Penalty to Wigan for messing about. Commentators saying Saints hard done to.

Yesterday: Dagger has Broadbent fall all over him as he’s trying to play ball. Broadbent hands on pushes him off balance. Knock on against trinity. Commentators saying should have been a Trinity penalty.

That led to our pressure vs Cas 12 men releasing and I think shortly after Cas svored the try that took game away. This was also a play after Dagger copped one in the face from Cas player to split his eye open. Appealed to ref who ignored it despite blood pouring from his eye.

Are referees applying the rules differently???

Do lower teams get officiated more harshly due to a perception they don’t have the skill levels to do things as correctly as top clubs?

It’s bad enough watching the poor performances but it’s just as bad seeing terribly inconsistent officiating that may not decide games but it certainly influences play and momentum.

there was nothing wrong with the referee last night and plenty wrong with our team and there's plenty wrong at our club from the very top.

Mopsey I already said that about the team. That was not the point. I am not blaming the ref and I’m not allowing you to derail my question on referee consistency in applying rules into a conversation about the clubs management. We can discuss that after if you wish.

So you are saying you believe the decision against Dagger for a knock on was a correct interpretation of the rules?

After watching the saints/Wigan game lesser messing about a penalty was given to the player playing the ball. I’m genuinely confused as to where the line is drawn for a penalty. It doesn’t add up unless referees apply rules differently.

I have to agree.
The ref wasn't why we lost but he made it more difficult.
Cas defense on the line was string because they were consistently offside.
There was one I saw where the ref was stood on the line to get them back and he had to look around the Cas player stood in front of him to see the play.

We were also regularly offside or doesn’t that count? The ref was even handed yesterday, they got a couple of 50-50’s so did we.

Some people need to get over this victim mentally they have, our problems are all of our own making.

"Some people" simply made a comment on the back of what was said above.
And "some people" need to read the bit where it said that the ref wasn't what lost us the game.

Some people wrongly inferred the ref made things more difficult, their words not mine. Some people need to look at things without red, white & blue specs on.

I suppose its the way the refs see it in the split second, I get what your saying about interpretation but I think the refs are doing OK and I know you've not said it but I don't think they cheat or they are bent. We must take it out of ghe refs hands and be more careful

He definitely made things more difficult for us.
That doesn't mean he was biased towards Cas.

But when we are not very good in attack, having the defense right on us made it difficult.

I agree.
In terms of taking it out if their hands I noticed we were standing much deeper in the backline in the second half.
I can't say I've seen a Wakefield team do that for years.
I hope they keep doing it.

So if it’s the way refs are seeing it then I guess inconsistencies will always be a part we have to accept and clubs probably have to account for.

I wouldn’t for a moment suggest referees are bias but I do feel they lack proper support to make more consistent decisions. Whether that be training, technology or perception of a clubs skill/ability who knows. Maybe it’s a combination of them all and until there’s some more investment in the officiating it will just have to remain inconsistent in parts with come controversial moments. I suppose this sits at the door of the governing body who don’t invest enough.

Case in point again Cas vs Catalans where one try should have not been given and Cas lost by s few points. The Burgess leg about 1 metre in touch against us away at Salford last season or season before. I’d suggest technology plays a big part but it’s damaging the game as a whole.

You are right we have to take it out of the refs hands but weren’t we doing just that with all the pressure and ascendency until that very Dagger knock on decision completely put us under the pump and changed the swing of the game?

That makes it a factor in the loss but I won’t use it to blame it. There were things within. Our control such as Ashurst’s missed tackle, Lino running it in on 5th leaving Dagger to kick poorly leaving a clear run downfield. Fine margins but those two errors pretty much cost us two tries.

I have noticed majority of our errors are coming from our experienced players who should be better too.

It’s the 6 agains that irritate me it’s a stupid rule it’s a lottery and can influence results.

Some people have an agenda to push I agree and they clearly either only see what they want to see or are unable to discuss the the officiating as a talking point without accusing fans of blaming the ref for the loss (which they actually aren’t).

That just needs scrapping completely. Just adds controversy and promotes robotic one dimentional rugby down the middle channels and running behind the ruck repeatedly. That’s not what I want to see as a rugby fan.

Not a peep from the club. They really are
burying their heads in the sand.

Griffiths controlled it well and very evenly i thought. Given he didn’t police the offside tightly for either side and Cas are hardly attacking well themselves them it surely also made it more difficult for Cas as well did it not? It cancelled any advantage either way out, they suffered as much as us.

Pretty sad and pathetic take that when someone doesn’t agree with an opinion they have an ‘agenda’. Thought you were better than that.

It’s not that I don’t agree with things you post on occasion but I acknowledged the there are issues that need foxing with the team and wanted a separate discussion on the officiating which I honestly think is putting fans away from the game.

The reply of playing victim mentality in part I thought aimed at me but that’s not the case at all. I’d already said there were key errors with Ashurst/Dagger etc that cost points but wanted to talk about the officiating without it leading to a blame the ref scenario.

As I said with so many calls in each game being wrong or poor I really think the investment isn’t sufficient in the officials. The technology isn’t there either to help them and in this day and age it should be.

Lets be honest every single club in pretty much every game in every sport since the start of time can point to where decisions have gone against them. It happens and as long as there is human interpretation it will also be thus so. They are not robots, they different people see things slightly differently even within the same rule framework. They really do tend to even out over time though.

Having increased technology at games would help to some extent but it’s hardly foolproof, look at the controversy VAR in football has caused as an example. Even in the NRL the bunker has cost millions and they still get plenty of things wrong. It’s only ever as good as the people operating it and people don’t get it right every time, or see things differently to others.

And its worth bearing in mind that Sky were willing to introduce a video ref at every game as part of this current TV contract but the money would be deducted from the current payments. But the clubs, including our own, turned it down preferring to have the money in their bank accounts which they were perfectly entitled to do. So they are as much to blame for the lack of technological investment as anyone else. Quite simply there isn’t enough money in the sport to do much more than they are currently doing. There are only 9 full time referees for starters and a couple of those are young rookies. Standards are pretty low i agree and there is much room for improvement but unless there is a willingness from all parties to invest significantly, and lets be honest if it hurts the pocket they won’t, then it won’t change.