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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Because he's chosen to make it a Rodders glory thing. By going on his own, he can flaunt his success. I'm not sure he would if he thought it would end in failure.
It does seem strange that he has chosen this route when there appears to be new statements of intent from the developer and the council. I don't for a minute suggest there's anything honourable in it. The fact that he's done this, however, makes me think that he's seen a finishing line ahead, and he wants to cross it alone, arms aloft.'"
But he could have easily taken the glory as Chair of the existing Trust.
He states in the Star article that he needs Wakefield Trinity to be anchor tenant so why leave the Trust that you Chair and on which sits the 2 guys that own the Club and can make that happen. Answers on a postcard please.
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| When will the white smoke be released
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"But he could have easily taken the glory as Chair of the existing Trust.
He states in the Star article that he needs Wakefield Trinity to be anchor tenant so why leave the Trust that you Chair and on which sits the 2 guys that own the Club and can make that happen. Answers on a postcard please.'"
Totally agree.
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| What seems to be overlooked during this discussion is that whatever ground we end up with we are talking of several years into the future. What guarantees are there that we'll even have a club when the ground is delivered? The RFL will only allow us to live a nomadic life for so long before they call time.
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| As stated previously....
=#FF0000Having spoken with a certain member of the Trust, I know that they are disgusted with the way that Rodney Walker has acted throughout his involvement in this process so far, so we therefore have to ask the question, what is going on ??
The Trust's sole aim has been to provide a Community stadium for the people of Wakefield and the Trust members have all given numerous hours of their own time over the past umpteen years to try and achieve this, obviously at considerable cost to themselves in both time and travelling etc and none of them have ever sought to seek financial gain, (heck, one of them is even a Rhino's fan !!!) and rightly or wrongly, they brought in Sir Rodder's to try and assist in the process.
Unfortunately, it would appear that his ego took over, as usual and he then insisted on attending subsequent meetings alone with the Council and Yorkcourt (none of which appear to have been minuted) and inexplicably agreed to the Newcold development not counting towards the 60,000 sq. m trigger point for the stadium build. Now why would he do that ???
The "genuine" members of the Trust eventually got wind of this and Sir Rodder's clearly found his position un-tenable and stepped down, yet here he is, forming a new Trust and lo and behold his two previous best buddies now say that they won't deal with the existing Trust and they will only deal with him, once his new Trust has been formally ratified BY THEM !!!
I SMELL A RAT !!
I bet the genuine Trust members, along with MC, are absolutely livid at the disgusting, underhand way they have been treated by these three disgraceful, devious individuals.......BUT........ let's just assume for one nano-second that the three wise monkey's have suddenly had a change of heart and do actually build us a stadium before hell freezes over, then who can we really thank for forcing them into a corner and making them perform a U-turn ????
The genuine members of the Trust, that's who, the guys who have been so passionate about this quest from the outset, who have fought bureaucracy and stone-walling, year in, year out, from a triumvirate of despicable individuals who have now evidently turned into glory hunters, only because they have been backed into a corner and have no other options open to them.
So, TRB, SC, IA, MC and CB (and others who have undoubtedly helped along the way..Fordy, was one, I believe ??), gentlemen, take a bow, because you are the true un-sung heroes in all of this !!!!
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"Whoever finalises the deal, the supporters of this club know who drove the campaign, who worked hard in their own time to keep the pressure up. It doesn't matter who gets to pose in the paper. If there's a new stadium, I know who to thank.'"
But also if Rodney does somehow pull it out of the bag then he will be due some credit too, despite his seemingly odious behaviour in these matters.
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| Quote ="Wakefield No 1"www.wakefieldexpress.co.uk/news/work-on-new-10m-wakefield-stadium-to-get-underway-this-year-1-8616734
What is this guy on??'"
That reads like the council have approved the new trust and negotiations with the developer are in full swing ![Shocked icon_eek.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_eek.gif)
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| Anybody reading that Express article without reading all the correspondence on this Forum over the last few years regarding this subject will just be sitting back, stroking his chin and thinking: "Mmmmm! Good old Rodney. He's getting a nice new shiny ground for Trinity. What a jolly good and cleverchap he is".
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| Quote ="Redscat"Anybody reading that Express article without reading all the correspondence on this Forum over the last few years regarding this subject will just be sitting back, stroking his chin and thinking: "Mmmmm! Good old Rodney. He's getting a nice new shiny ground for Trinity. What a jolly good and cleverchap he is".'"
Anyone reading that Express article without reading all the correspondence on this forum over the last few years will be thinking, "I've read this article before, a few years back."
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| Quote ="The Devil's Advocate"=#0080FF“I have no more wish than to give credit to the supporter groups for staying with this project and it’s the least they deserve. That’s why I have decided to invite two representatives from the supporters group to join the new Trust."
I'd like to know who the "lucky" couple are?'"
So would I!
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| [del[/del Quote ="TrinityIHC"eusa_clap.gif
But also if Rodney does somehow pull it out of the bag then he will be due some credit too, despite his seemingly odious behaviour in these matters.'"
No one involved in the Trust is doing this for credit or kudos and if the Council and Sir Rodney Walker were able to pull this off then we would be perfectly happy for them to be carried shoulder high around the streets of Wakefield to the adoration of the people of Wakefield.
It's not about credit it's about justice for the people of Wakefield.
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| Why does it say if we can purswaid WT to become anchor tenants.Do we need purswaiding. ![THINK eusa_think.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//eusa_think.gif)
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| Quote ="AKA kellyseye"Why does it say if we can purswaid WT to become anchor tenants.Do we need purswaiding.
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Thats one for Chris and Michael but I guess it all comes down to the terms of the tenancy which as far as I am aware have not been discussed with the Club.
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| Quote ="AKA kellyseye"Why does it say if we can purswaid WT to become anchor tenants.Do we need purswaiding.
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Depending on a number of factors:
• Location
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• Other involved parties
We may very well need persuading.
On the other hand, it could be perfect and our holy grail.
I guess time will tell.
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| oh ffsake...
Quote ="TRB"Without going in to too many details, remember this:
=#FF0000A Community Stadium - probably now likely to be 8-10k capacity with all amenities - needs to be built.
It was to be handed to the W&DCT, with the land to be retained by the developer but leased on a 'peppercorn' rent.
The Trust would then rent the whole facility on a full maintenance and repair lease to the club, with caveats relating to the use of the facility by the wider community (otherwise we would need an operating company with management etc, which the club can cover).
=#FF0000Any Stadium deal needs to allow the club - the anchor tennant - to generate revenues from it, through rentals, advertising, naming rights, operations, beer and catering revenues.
=#FF0000Without any of the above, the prospect of a successful deal is nil!'"
So MC has to knock back the new Stadium offer after the conditions under which it is to be built and run are altered beyond the financial viability originally agreed.
This makes Rod happy, he doesn't have to deliver the stadium that the Bermuda triangle didn't want to build in the first place and conveniently shifts the blame for that to WT's doorstep.
Full WExpress back page spread.......Rod throws his arms in the air and say's, I tried my best, its all Trinity's fault the stadium won't be built.
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| Quote ="Upanunder"oh ffsake...
So MC has to knock back the new Stadium offer after the conditions under which it is to be built and run are altered beyond the financial viability originally agreed.
This makes Rod happy, he doesn't have to deliver the stadium that the Bermuda triangle didn't want to build in the first place and conveniently shifts the blame for that to WT's doorstep.
Full WExpress back page spread.......Rod throws his arms in the air and say's, I tried my best, its all Trinity's fault the stadium won't be built.
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Or he agrees to the altered terms, gets a stadium built in the community, when it's built says that the rental agreement is too high and is unfeasible then plays the same game he's already playing with Belle Vue to get the rent lower. The difference would be that Yorkcourt would be a bit more pliable as they'd have just spent several million building a stadium so anything would be better than nothing for them.
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"Or he agrees to the altered terms.....'"
You're assuming the terms will be viable on some level.
If you didn't want to build it, what would you do ?
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"Or he agrees to the altered terms, gets a stadium built in the community, when it's built says that the rental agreement is too high and is unfeasible then plays the same game he's already playing with Belle Vue to get the rent lower. The difference would be that Yorkcourt would be a bit more pliable as they'd have just spent several million building a stadium so anything would be better than nothing for them.'"
Depends how long the lease would be signed for and whether there would be a break clause at any point.
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| Quote ="Upanunder"oh ffsake...
So MC has to knock back the new Stadium offer after the conditions under which it is to be built and run are altered beyond the financial viability originally agreed.
This makes Rod happy, he doesn't have to deliver the stadium that the Bermuda triangle didn't want to build in the first place and conveniently shifts the blame for that to WT's doorstep.
Full WExpress back page spread.......Rod throws his arms in the air and say's, I tried my best, its all Trinity's fault the stadium won't be built.
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For what it's worth (nothing), that's how I imagine it playing out too.
This may not be the case of course. Until we hear from our intrepid leader, we won't know which way the wind is blowing.
All we have at the moment are hearsay and conjecture. But then as Aristotle postulated, nature abhors a vacuum.
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| Quote ="Upanunder"oh ffsake...
So MC has to knock back the new Stadium offer after the conditions under which it is to be built and run are altered beyond the financial viability originally agreed.
This makes Rod happy, he doesn't have to deliver the stadium that the Bermuda triangle didn't want to build in the first place and conveniently shifts the blame for that to WT's doorstep.
Full WExpress back page spread.......Rod throws his arms in the air and say's, I tried my best, its all Trinity's fault the stadium won't be built.
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I just can't see why he would set up a new Trust just so he can shift the blame to the club. He's had a long involvement with the club and presumably wants to see a stadium built. The issue is to what extent he benefits, and to what extent the club suffers a detriment, due to the establishment of a new Trust.
I think this is just pessimism filling a vacuum. I don't think MC would allow the club to be shafted. He's shown that a few times in recent years. It might be that the terms aren't quite as great, but it has to be better than the many alternatives.
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"Or he agrees to the altered terms, gets a stadium built in the community, when it's built says that the rental agreement is too high and is unfeasible then plays the same game he's already playing with Belle Vue to get the rent lower. The difference would be that Yorkcourt would be a bit more pliable as they'd have just spent several million building a stadium so anything would be better than nothing for them.'"
They will not build it until terms are agreed.
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| I smell a rodent.
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| Quote ="jakeyg95"Looking at it from another angle, I wonder whether if we have a Labour government in the next couple of years (reasonable chance of it happening) we could try and get a couple of million from Corbyn's £250 billion infrastructure investment fund. Would only be a drop in the ocean from something that big, would solve a long standing problem and gain Labour some very goodwill in what are now a couple of marginal constituencies and investing in community sports facilities to tackle things like child obesity would be an excellent use of those funds IMO.'"
That would e great if that 250 billion existed anywhere other than Corbyns imagination. Total fantasy.
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