Dont Asian and black people live in other EU countries, Germany etc.etc.once they have citizenship of the EU they have free movement to anywhere within the EU and that includes the UK. The NHS is a big pull factor for people to come to the UK.

Been in the building trade for nearly 30yrs but unfortunately had a break in 2008 due to the recession.
Having to make ends meet i had to take a job in a local packing factory where it wasa 50 50 split of nationals and mainly east Europeans.
Having talked to quite alot of them ,their goal was to live as cheap as possible and send as much money back home as possible ,do a 12,18 month stint and go home .Really helping the economy there !
One worrying fact was that they were mainly supplied to the factory through an agency, many a day were turning up and on occasions problems in factory resulted in there being no work and obviously no pay.
This was happening quite regularly with many different people who I'd never seen which got my thinking how they were surving?

So, if the NHS is such a big pull factor, why don't all the black and Asian citizens of other EU countries come here now?

In fact, why doesn't the entire population of mainland Europe up sticks and move to Britsin?

When i got back into building i ended up having to look for a labourer.
A Jamaican lad became available, been in the country a few years.
He was a great lad and good worker but as igot to know him it became very evident why he was in the uk.
In his own words....

"Im hear to get as much as possible for free due to you (me) taking all our homes and wealth during the empire"
WOW!
He was deadly serious as well.
I no this sounds like foreign bashing but these are my experiences with migrants

"Britsin" was a typo but I'm really quite pleased with it

I prefer

'The Brinbreds'

Is this a discussion on the EU membership or have we now moved on to the fact that the only thing the leave can come up with is immigration. I would remind those on here who actually believe what they read in the Express and Mail that probably 90% of it is rubbish.
The facts are that anyone coming to this country does not have automatic access to social housing or benefits for several years. If we wish to quote Norway they had to as part of the agreement to trade with the EU to agree to free movement of people. If you don't accept you don't get regardless of how important some of you believe we are. The majority of immigrants to the UK are from countries outside the EU which we can stop but we do not. The reason we have lost so many border officials is not the EU but austerity measures imposed by the UK Goverment.
The finance sector one of our main industries only survives with EU business if we leave they do too. The majority of the big manufacturers are only here because it allows them to access the EU market, we leave most of them can relocate to the EU.
The EU prevents governments from imposing draconian measure on the workforce, leave and you are at the hands of Boris, Gove and IDS not renounced for their social conscious.
The money we pay into the EU for membership, for every pound we pay in we get 80p back through various agreements. The 20p we save will soon pale into insignificance compared to the loss of jobs and revenue by standing alone.
I look forward to our brexateers putting forward a coherent economic argument why we would benefit in leaving, rather than relying on the a motive subject of immigration. I would make one final point when asked what percentage of the U.K. Population are immigrants the usual figure perceived is around 25% when the actual true figure is below 10%.

Maybe you should read the whole thread before being sanctimonious and condescending to anyone who doesn't share your version of the "facts"

So no then.

Yes ,children will be cleaning chimneys out,working pregnant women sacked and the minimum wage abolished.

There is one reason and one reason only I'm out,the fear of East European bricklayers walking on site willing to work for half the wage I earn.
Yes ,it's a small minded "Im all right jack attitude " in the bigger picture ,but that's life.
I suppose it doesn't matter anyway,because all building will cease if we leave because of the recession

Oy!!! What happened to,

"How ridiculous!

Why can't people debate something without being childish, insulting or belittling, it's so immature."
???????

Yeah. Someone should tell him that's your job!

total British people living in other EU countries numbers 1.22 million.

I think you know the difference,
one is a cross between the betrayal of a subconscious sense of superiority and an attempt to ridicule, there's no humour intended.

The other is a display of comradeship and an ability to smile together despite being on opposing sides.

Any quotes or examples

The irony of your situation is that, without the population growth (largely from European migrants), there would be no house building going on.
The massive shortage in housing in due to population growth and of course, the lack of social housing due, to the council house sell off and lack of and meaningful replacement housing being built.

You may not appreciate his tone, but they're not his version of the facts - they're just facts.

It seems that since the economic argument has been well and truly lost, this referendum will be decided on immigration, which is sad, because it's a much bigger issue than that; and the 2 magical solutions put forward by the Leave campaign are incompatible - yes, Brexit will stop the free movement of people, but to continue to trade with Europe, we'll have to allow it anyway.

The economic argument certainly isn't lost. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... ealth.html An interesting read, but here's some bullet points: The Commonwealth (remember them) Trading block is the fastest growing of its type in the world yet we are held back from forging trade links with them by being members of the EU. The EU is the world's only declining trade block. Reports from the The Office of National Statistics show we now export more to countries outside of Europe than to countries inside Europe According to World Economics, in 2013 the Commonwealth economy overtook the Eurozone's. The IMF forecasts that by 2019 the Commonwealth will have overtaken the EU contributing 17.7 per cent to the world’s output compared with the EU’s 15.3 per cent. The Commonwealth also has far more favourable demographic figures. Continental Europe is in long term economic decline. Presently, the EU28 countries amount to only 19 percent of world Gross Domestic Product (GDP) -- the most common measurement of economic strength. Meanwhile the Commonwealth is only slightly behind on 16 percent, the difference being that the Commonwealth is the fastest growing. By 2025 the Commonwealth will have surpassed the EU, more importantly, the Commonwealth has a population of over 2 billion people, 4 times the population of the EU! The Economic argument is far far from lost! Then there's the 'five eyes' countries that make up the Anglosphere

The economic argument certainly isn't lost. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... ealth.html An interesting read, but here's some bullet points: The Commonwealth (remember them) Trading block is the fastest growing of its type in the world yet we are held back from forging trade links with them by being members of the EU. The EU is the world's only declining trade block. Reports from the The Office of National Statistics show we now export more to countries outside of Europe than to countries inside Europe According to World Economics, in 2013 the Commonwealth economy overtook the Eurozone's. The IMF forecasts that by 2019 the Commonwealth will have overtaken the EU contributing 17.7 per cent to the world’s output compared with the EU’s 15.3 per cent. The Commonwealth also has far more favourable demographic figures. Continental Europe is in long term economic decline. Presently, the EU28 countries amount to only 19 percent of world Gross Domestic Product (GDP) -- the most common measurement of economic strength. Meanwhile the Commonwealth is only slightly behind on 16 percent, the difference being that the Commonwealth is the fastest growing. By 2025 the Commonwealth will have surpassed the EU, more importantly, the Commonwealth has a population of over 2 billion people, 4 times the population of the EU! The Economic argument is far far from lost! Then there's the 'five eyes' countries that make up the Anglosphere

is not fit for purpose it just suits mainly the German and French economies,a lot of the southern EU countries are struggling with high unemployment and goverment debt because of how it works. the EU and its currency is a failing and sinking ship. as for the economy of the UK, we are the fifth largest economy in the world, we buy from and sell to nations all over the world, do you seriously think that other countries will stop buying goods from us that we have sold to them for decades,a lot of them well known established brand names.

Quote ="The Avenger"The economic argument certainly isn't lost. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... ealth.html An interesting read, but here's some bullet points: The Commonwealth (remember them) Trading block is the fastest growing of its type in the world yet we are held back from forging trade links with them by being members of the EU. The EU is the world's only declining trade block. Reports from the The Office of National Statistics show we now export more to countries outside of Europe than to countries inside Europe According to World Economics, in 2013 the Commonwealth economy overtook the Eurozone's. The IMF forecasts that by 2019 the Commonwealth will have overtaken the EU contributing 17.7 per cent to the world’s output compared with the EU’s 15.3 per cent. The Commonwealth also has far more favourable demographic figures. Continental Europe is in long term economic decline. Presently, the EU28 countries amount to only 19 percent of world Gross Domestic Product (GDP) -- the most common measurement of economic strength. Meanwhile the Commonwealth is only slightly behind on 16 percent, the difference being that the Commonwealth is the fastest growing. By 2025 the Commonwealth will have surpassed the EU, more importantly, the Commonwealth has a population of over 2 billion people, 4 times the population of the EU! The Economic argument is far far from lost! Then there's the 'five eyes' countries that make up the Anglosphere'" Ah the old flawed commonwealth argument. Farage claims we could trade with them instead and not need a trade agreement with Europe. It's a complete fallacy, even the official leave campaign (of which he isn't part) doesn't agree with him. Lets take 3 of the bigger countries, ones that also happen to be part of the Anglosphere, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. Put them all together and their combined population is lower than that of the UK and their collective GDP is just 15% higher than the UK. There just isn't the room for growth there that will fill the gap of the loss of trade from the EU. As for trading with the likes of growing economies like India the EU and other countries have been arranging trade deals with them for 7 years and counting, just like they have with Canada. We would be starting from scratch and would way down the list of priorities, just like we would for any if the trade agreements needed with other countires.

Quote ="The Avenger"The economic argument certainly isn't lost. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstop ... ealth.html An interesting read, but here's some bullet points: The Commonwealth (remember them) Trading block is the fastest growing of its type in the world yet we are held back from forging trade links with them by being members of the EU. The EU is the world's only declining trade block. Reports from the The Office of National Statistics show we now export more to countries outside of Europe than to countries inside Europe According to World Economics, in 2013 the Commonwealth economy overtook the Eurozone's. The IMF forecasts that by 2019 the Commonwealth will have overtaken the EU contributing 17.7 per cent to the world’s output compared with the EU’s 15.3 per cent. The Commonwealth also has far more favourable demographic figures. Continental Europe is in long term economic decline. Presently, the EU28 countries amount to only 19 percent of world Gross Domestic Product (GDP) -- the most common measurement of economic strength. Meanwhile the Commonwealth is only slightly behind on 16 percent, the difference being that the Commonwealth is the fastest growing. By 2025 the Commonwealth will have surpassed the EU, more importantly, the Commonwealth has a population of over 2 billion people, 4 times the population of the EU! The Economic argument is far far from lost! Then there's the 'five eyes' countries that make up the Anglosphere'" Ah the old flawed commonwealth argument. Farage claims we could trade with them instead and not need a trade agreement with Europe. It's a complete fallacy, even the official leave campaign (of which he isn't part) doesn't agree with him. Lets take 3 of the bigger countries, ones that also happen to be part of the Anglosphere, Australia, New Zealand and Canada. Put them all together and their combined population is lower than that of the UK and their collective GDP is just 15% higher than the UK. There just isn't the room for growth there that will fill the gap of the loss of trade from the EU. As for trading with the likes of growing economies like India the EU and other countries have been arranging trade deals with them for 7 years and counting, just like they have with Canada. We would be starting from scratch and would way down the list of priorities, just like we would for any if the trade agreements needed with other countires.

Like the way you ignored all the facts in my post, also that you ignored India and, well, the rest of the world as places we could trade with if only we weren't prevented from doing so by the EU.

I'll have a look at democracy and governance next!

Certain irony you accusing someone of ignoring facts! Firstly we already trade with the commonwealth countries through the existing EU trade agreement, so we start again there. In the meantime we are on the outer. You'll see i mentioned india and the time it would take to arrange a trade deal, or did you just ignore that as well. And remember with younger growing economies they often peak early, over expand and fall back quickly, it carries much more economic risk that dealing with established economies. China are a prime example if this, as are places like indonesia. As for all the other countries we are apparently prevented from trading with, the only ones we are are the countries with such lovely attributes of high levels of corruption and human rights abuse. If we are happy to deal with contries who deal in child labour, worker abuse and mass embezzlement and have no itention of changing then yes i suppose we could. Personally i would like to think that as a country we have higher moral standards than that. Still maybe part of the trade agreements would be a freedom of movement between those countries so they could improve their lives over here?

Britain saw a near 34% rise in exports to India, 31.2% to South Africa, 30% to Australia, 18.3% to Canada in the last 2 years alone.
The Commonwealth contains at least seven of the fastest-growing global Countries/economies.

In an ideal world we'd be able to trade with both and as you say we possibly could if we remain in the EU and the EU strikes a trade agreement with the Commonwealth. Unfortunately as with most things EU it won't be an agreement that suits the UK but rather it will suit France & Germany etc. and we'll have to accept the terms whatever they may be.

Beyond that the TTIP agreement will further marginalise our interests.

We have the 5th largest economy in the world and there are enough trade partners out there for us to negotiate our own deals. We don't need to be part of the EU which isn't the utopia the ins are portraying it to be, it's failing and shrinking.

Furthermore, I'm unsure whether Westminster knows how to govern Yorkshire, they certainly don't represent me or my interests, so I'm bloody well sure that being governed more and more by Brussels isn't what I want or need. I certainly don't want to see our sovereignty pick pocketed away by self serving Eurocrats and corrupt politicians who are making decisions based on hew best to feather their own post political career nests.