See it all the time, Stanley are quite a big set of lads and after containing their pack they couldn't match us for pace and handling. I took a team from 11s through to 16s a number of years ago, up to 14s were physically dominated then after it levelled out we had developed 'rugby playing ability' while other sides whod relied on their size had gone backwards and we were hammering them. Got to be said, it's very short sighted from the coaches.

think the size thing is more of a scare factor to most kids but as the old sayin goes BIGGER THEY ARE HARDER THEY FALL, but well done to vikings on a good win esp after stanley did a upset last week over cas lock lane.

i always thought junior rugby was about the kids developing and not just about scoreline, as long as you are coaching them in the correct manner everything else will come together

NOT EVERY WEEK

WAS IT THE BEAN

No, I meant your predictions are going the opposite way for us so predict a loss.

Strange that, phil Clarke is asking for the same terms of sponsorship!

ah you know im a great admirer of your set rob and have been shy of showing it on these boards , my lad always looks forward to the challenge and always as. I must pick you up on a certain point though bud . I can see how a lot may think its the one man show but a few years ago i was constantly watching a team which a lot of coaches would say they only use 3 big lads take them out they would be nothing and yet you now have 2 parents players of the year playing for you and to be fair since them two and my lad left they are not as awesome . they are very very competitive but the half back , hooker , loose forward gone they now are but a shadow of the threat . So what point do i make well its like this

once upon a time i would agree when he first came and crigg were struggling for numbers JD was always the lad the ball was given to and when he was tired crigg was sometimes in trouble because the others needed a bit of self confidence . then come under 11s a large numbered squad , still they were giving it to JD a lot i remember a cold night the lad playing for stnley going up to crigg and losing coming away thinking the big lad won it for them but also looking at our mistakes . The same old if he of passed or if he would of not kicked on the 4th etc. Then my young joined the all blacks after a few moths and wanting revenge for what many thought was a unjust defeat at crigg they faced eastmoor at there place .
when the lads were turning up for the warm up JD turned up with his arm in pot "doing a back flip" with some crazy name. so the star player was down not to worry we have a new player same size TH and as you know rob CB so no problem . about 3 minutes into the game a high ball nobody calls a clash of heads TH out rest of game concussion , CB ambulance face rearranged oh , by the way short on numbers today no OG as well so its damage limitation a few minutes later and for some reason none will ever know one the centre JM was fully beaten he stuck his leg out . no contact but only one result RED.
The lads went on to spank Eastmoore all over the park.
They lost JD & CB for a while but didn't lose a game for the rest of the 11s
JD&CB and other big time players have been out and back
Crigg have since never lost a game without JD, so a little unfair. Crigg can play it both ways . they can win by 50 or they can as showed away at stanningley draw 6-6 (best game ive seen)

ah you know im a great admirer of your set rob and have been shy of showing it on these boards , my lad always looks forward to the challenge and always as. I must pick you up on a certain point though bud . I can see how a lot may think its the one man show but a few years ago i was constantly watching a team which a lot of coaches would say they only use 3 big lads take them out they would be nothing and yet you now have 2 parents players of the year playing for you and to be fair since them two and my lad left they are not as awesome . they are very very competitive but the half back , hooker , loose forward gone they now are but a shadow of the threat . So what point do i make well its like this

once upon a time i would agree when he first came and crigg were struggling for numbers JD was always the lad the ball was given to and when he was tired crigg was sometimes in trouble because the others needed a bit of self confidence . then come under 11s a large numbered squad , still they were giving it to JD a lot i remember a cold night the lad playing for stnley going up to crigg and losing coming away thinking the big lad won it for them but also looking at our mistakes . The same old if he of passed or if he would of not kicked on the 4th etc. Then my young joined the all blacks after a few moths and wanting revenge for what many thought was a unjust defeat at crigg they faced eastmoor at there place .
when the lads were turning up for the warm up JD turned up with his arm in pot "doing a back flip" with some crazy name. so the star player was down not to worry we have a new player same size TH and as you know rob CB so no problem . about 3 minutes into the game a high ball nobody calls a clash of heads TH out rest of game concussion , CB ambulance face rearranged oh , by the way short on numbers today no OG as well so its damage limitation a few minutes later and for some reason none will ever know one the centre JM was fully beaten he stuck his leg out . no contact but only one result RED.
The lads went on to spank Eastmoore all over the park.
They lost JD & CB for a while but didn't lose a game for the rest of the 11s
JD&CB and other big time players have been out and back
Crigg have since never lost a game without JD, so a little unfair. Crigg can play it both ways . they can win by 50 or they can as showed away at stanningley draw 6-6 (best game ive seen)

a little harsh basil , you have only seen us once unless you did a bit of home work .

we got told to just watch 1 guy in you team . i think that's absolute cak . at least 7

although every team needs a game breaker or two maybe we are lucky to have the biggest , but wait till size levels out basil .
you seem like you know your stuff fella im not blowing any trumpets until 15/16s

well said that man

well said muttley!!! but basil it a touch bad for u as well after reading ur match reports and TRANMER this and TRANMER that!! everytime team "has a star player" but normally every time everyone knows about that theat and trys to deal with it but its then other players who then step up to the mark and turn a game around but less of this naming players i think u will find that to win uv got to score but every team needs a good defence with out it u r nothing even if u hav someone who can score 4 or 5 trys a game.

Thats how most junior coaches and support staff see it, sadly one or two coaches want to go pot hunting and only really care about winning silver, they use the kids to make them feel special and its always gone on.

The ones who develope players i take my hat off to and i know its a fine line at times, the others should not be allowed near the game.

u r damn rite there after all there are young enough to learn and for it to sink in them. just hope this year when i go to watch a game i dont see coaches shouting at players when there loosing after all they are still learning this fab game.

Totally agree with that - it's fantastic to see lads who aren't immediately obvious as RL players, learn and develop under a positive coaching regime; their confidence goes through the roof and it could be argued that they're the ones who'll turn out more rounded players, as if they don't have the size or pace to smash it up at jr level, they have to work harder on basic skills.

Have I mentioned that Sandal Spartans are currently recruiting under 13's...

It's also pretty poor form to not award player certificates at the end of the game if the result isn't a win, I've seen it a number of times as a coach wants to put sole responsibility on a group of young boys, disheartening for them.

Eastmoor Dragons Under 12’s have started life in division 2 with a defeat at Oulton Raiders followed by home victory against a spirited Batley Boys outfit. Both games were close affairs which could have gone either way.
There have been some recent posts on this forum questioning why Eastmoor would want to drop down a division for the summer season. During the mini season we only won 1 out the 10 league matches and it became obvious that, due to the loss of some key players, we were unable to compete at such a high level. Having seen the first 2 matches it looks as though we are in a division where we will be more competitive playing against sides of equal ability which can only be good for the players development on both sides.
Just for the record, the Crig win at Eastmoor, where to quote Mutley ‘The lads went on to spank Eastmoor all over the park, ended 20-18 to Crig
Never let the truth get in the way of a good story Mutley!!!!

Taken out of context Muts - my response to Rob was regarding 'big lad syndrome'. No slurr on JD our CT or anyone else. But at the end of the day when players tend to level out size wise so do results. Make hay whilst you can thats what I say!
Remember the commentator on the YC vid who said Easts looked much smaller than Crigg???

Mosts teams have strike players - they are the lads that always want the ball and the ones their team mates always want to give it too - but there comes a time when their team mates want to keep it for themselves or have plenty of other options!!!

Till then enjoy - and good luck!

I agree - but my OP was about size being a dominant factor - not having a go at Crigg!

does anyone know if BARLA are running a Junior Yorkshire Cup Competition this year?
... Ive heard it possibly is!

If you've got a number of 'big' lads, they should be taught to run good lines, offload in contact, fix the defence and pass before the line, win the floor, improve their carry, all these thing that'll develop a more successful player in later years, some though just seem to rest on their laurels of getting these boys to run over the top of people.

Thats the way!

has i said at the start dont take it out of context,the whole post was about views on whether we should be following the aussies and plaing weight and height rather than age groups.

i dont have a problem with big players or little players,in my team we have 1 player that weighs 5 stone and others that weigh 12 stone it cant surely be right that they are expected to play and compete with such handicaps they cant move down a couple of years to play against kids there own size.

mutts has for your one man team well crigglestone arnt a one man team you have some wonderfull players and a great team spirit but you also have a player thats beyond belief who to be quite frank frightens the living daylights out of teams and can litterally score when ever he chooses,9 tries in the opening 2 games says it all im sure thare will have been plenty more good performances from the other players too but he his the edge that makes your lot better than the rest at the moment,what would you say the said player is at 12 years of age 6ft tall and broad with it who does 100 metres in around 12 seconds well when your that size running at 5ft tall players who weigh around 8-9 stone who cant run half has quick and then you can see its a complete missmatch "see what im getting at" what it not do the player more good playing with and against players the same size in the long run.