It doesn't really matter if that stat is causation or correlation, the question is why bring him back given what had happened in the games without him and after last week's high?
Conversely it never is one player Poptart is right, but again why bring him back given the bare facts you have just pointed out?
We'd clearly have got thumped either way, but would we have scored more points

I dont think hes been judged solely on tonight. How mamy games in 3 seasons has he actually taken a game by the scruff of the neck, and shown what hes capable of.

Yes, we are really slow, and ageing, and the trend of buying ageing players need to stop. At the moment, with a changing of the guard, it doesnt seem to be changing.

We have too many players in the squad that are either at the end if their careers, or very young and inexperienced, with very few around their peak.

i think we just stop wasting money on overseas players { apart from Fifita). The fact is we cannot afford regular NRL players so we end up with NRL has beens ( proctor ) or second rate players who cannot get a place in an NRL team ( too many to mention ). I know we have occasionally struck lucky ( Fifita ) but we should be competing for the best young British players especially local lads. I know that competing with the top teams is difficult when you are at the bottom but if we didnt waste money on overseas dross we could offer more plus they are more likely to get regular first team rugby than at other teams.

If we also stopped going cheaper and cheaper on coaching appointments too…

Did lino have a game before returning? This was never an easy fixture, to change a half back pairing that did well against wigan just showed why we need a quality coach or assistant this isn't acadamey or schoarship rugby

Not sure why just back from injury is relevant he should be fit plus its not like we've missed him just another poor decision from the coaching staff

Has anyone stopped to think if Whitbread had been fit then applegarth may not have changed the side from last week. But once he wasn't he had no other options than to play lino and at a guess so would have the majority of fans.

Indeed.

Whitbread out meant we had to bring in a forward. There is no natural 13 to bring in unless you move Pitts and we've no second row to bring in for him.
So moving Kay back, where he was so effective before probably seemed like a good idea when you have a scrum half available.

I thought Lino was poor but it's easy with hindsight to say that was a poor decision.
He was pushed again into playing behind a beaten pack, his very effective half back off the field and a hooker who was influential in the previous wins off the field.

Some of the passes from acting half back were awful. Battye and Lineham both dropped the ball on first tackle which led to tries. Knock ons from high balls from both wingers. Proctor low work rate again.
Like I said I was disappointed with Lino, and our attack was slower because of him but he didn't lose us that game.

Huddersfield quality play in the backs and very good line speed in defense was the main difference. To be honest, they could have scored more.

Yet battye played well at loose forward as an extra prop, as did kaye we could have just brought another prop in and left well alone.

Lino after an initial flurry 3 years ago has been very poor it’s his one consistent trait , poor when fit, poor behind a pack that’s been going forward , picked for his goal,kicking, yet hasn’t been taking kicks I could go on but sadly on a 3 year deal we are stuck with his bad attitude and poor performances

The point being, we didn't have another prop to bring in.

I don't agree that he's poor. He's just not Luke Gale.
But he was poor last night.

We signed langi as a second/loose/stand off centre we could have played Croft or even Shaw.

Sorry can’t agree about Lino, he’s had ok games but over his time at club - win ratio - when he’s not played we have won a much higher percentage of the games. I genuinely can’t see what he brings to the team

Langi was an option I guess so I assume you mean playing him at loose rather than half back. But as people are moaning about changing a winning team, I'm not sure why that is better.
Especially as we'd have been left with Kay and Langi in the halfbacks after 15 minutes. Not thinking that would be better.

I'm not a massive Lino fan right now. But the loss yesterday wasn't solely his fault in my opinion.

He is Championship standard. Not consistent enough to qualify for a higher level.

Should go well next season then lol ,Most of the full squad is not good enough for higher level , .Blame coaches ,players ,fans,anything, But at the end of the day ,like it or leave it it's were we are. Nothing we can do about it ,

Why is he even that? I see nothing that he brings to the game..

Championship halfback for a championship coach.

Stop talking sense!

Sorry somebody had to lol and also to put into prospective our many of our side would actually get in Huddersfield side //

Whilst a valid point apart from cas how many of our players would get in any team s starting line up

I’ve some sympathy with that, maybe we can’t attract the very best young talent but we can certainly look to the graduates of senior Academy’s of other clubs and offer a proper salary to bring players here. If we coupled that with just one maybe two quality overseas players on high salaries instead of spreading the money too thin by trying to sign six or seven has beens, we might have more success

I guess part of that is convincing the 'quality' to come to us in the first place? And what then if they flop? all eggs in one/two baskets!

I think Leigh in the championship who were able to attract quality like Asiata and co have shown money and vision can attract quality players.

Hopefully our new owner will bring both money and vision to Belle Vue



Getting Kear in now as D.O.R. would be a step in the right direction IMO

Or previous two, even

Really.

Granted, we have had some poor overseas players, and especially in the past few seasons, weve had some good ones too. Just in the super league era, to name a few, we've had the following

Poching
Tadulala
Domic
Solomona
Jefferies
Collis
Aiton
Poore
Fifita
Arona
Tupou
Add in JD to that, though he came in a slightly different route

If were looking at UK players, we've had some poor ones of those too, only have to look at Gaskell, Lineham, Kirke, again just to name a few.

For me, its not about forgetting a certain part of the world, its about having someone who can identify the right players, at the right time from here, and the rest of the world.

Sadly, our outgoing CEO does have a reputation for throwing his toys out of his pram, when something doesnt suit him, and now certain people wont entertain him,which has had a detrimental effect on the squad.