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| Quote ="The Trip"The whole system needs a total overhaul though.
No club should have to put up with being virtually disabled from operating on a level playing field 2 out of the 3 year license period because of the favourite for losing a license tag that was put on them.
Also no club should have all it's members of staff living in fear of their livelihoods because of the process.Especially when the clubs (Cas incl) are seen to be working well within their community's.
No club should also have it's hopes raised (Halifax) because of the process. A quick point on Halifax they submitted their application and told it ticked the boxes before they were able to compare it against any SL's applications, because they had not been submitted at that time. Back to front or what.
It has got to count on the field as well.
Somehow the funding gap between Champ 1 and SL has to be closer than at present to make sustained growth possible.'"
I mentioned this before the license decision. The RFL should withhold £300K from the SL hand out to each SL club and give that to the Championship clubs to develop the club. That means the existing SL clubs would receive £900K which is still a decent amount. This leaves the SL clubs having to find approx. £700K to spend up to the full cap. This will be a struggle for the smaller clubs such as Trinity, but shouldn’t be an issue to the likes of Wigan, Leeds and the clubs with wealthy benefactors. A strong second tier is vital to the continued growth of RL as much as expansion.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"I mentioned this before the license decision. The RFL should withhold £300K from the SL hand out to each SL club and give that to the Championship clubs to develop the club. That means the existing SL clubs would receive £900K which is still a decent amount. This leaves the SL clubs having to find approx. £700K to spend up to the full cap. This will be a struggle for the smaller clubs such as Trinity, but shouldn’t be an issue to the likes of Wigan, Leeds and the clubs with wealthy benefactors. A strong second tier is vital to the continued growth of RL as much as expansion.'"
I agree totally at present it's too great a drop.
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"[urlhttp://www.loverugbyleague.com/news_6025-chairman:-wakefield-in-on-own-merit.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter[/url
In on merit.'"
Actually old bean, you owe your inclusion to the Crusaders on 2 counts.
If they hadn't gone bust last year, then the RFL wouldn't have changed their Solvency Ruling. and you would have been out!
And if the Crusaders hadn't withdrawn their application, (as an expansionist club their position was secure), you'd have been out!
So in gratitude, perhaps next years kit will reflect your unexpected good fortune, with a little motif of a dragon on the left chest..... in red obviously
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"icon_biggrin.gif Actually old bean, you owe your inclusion to the Crusaders on 2 counts.
If they hadn't gone bust last year, then the RFL wouldn't have changed their Solvency Ruling. and you would have been out!
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Not quite right actually.
The insolvency rule covered the period 2008-2010. We were in administration in 2011.
It would have made a very strange situation in 3 years time though, when (if the rule had remained), the period would have been 2011-2013.
We could have been highly successful on and off the pitch, yet be barred from applying!
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"icon_biggrin.gif Actually old bean, you owe your inclusion to the Crusaders on 2 counts.
If they hadn't gone bust last year, then the RFL wouldn't have changed their Solvency Ruling. and you would have been out!
And if the Crusaders hadn't withdrawn their application, (as an expansionist club their position was secure), you'd have been out!
So in gratitude, perhaps next years kit will reflect your unexpected good fortune, with a little motif of a dragon on the left chest..... in red obviously
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Had Crusaders not gone into Administration the HMRC would not have revoked Wakefields repayment schedule, our cash Flow problems wouldn't have happened and we wouldn't have entered Administration.
Blake Solly has revealed that Wakefield were awarded a franchise on merit and were not in the bottom 3 franchises.
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"icon_biggrin.gif Actually old bean, you owe your inclusion to the Crusaders on 2 counts.
If they hadn't gone bust last year, then the RFL wouldn't have changed their Solvency Ruling. and you would have been out!
And if the Crusaders hadn't withdrawn their application, (as an expansionist club their position was secure), you'd have been out!
So in gratitude, perhaps next years kit will reflect your unexpected good fortune, with a little motif of a dragon on the left chest..... in red obviously
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Give up now son your really starting to look a bit sad.
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| I might add,
If Wakefield Trinity hadn't been denied Super League money in their first two seasons then Ted Richardson wouldn't have been forced to use his own money, raised against the Sainsburys deal.
The same £1M Sainsburys deal which ten years later went sour thus forcing Ted into an IVA and removing any room for movement In our business plan.
The same inflexibility which then forced the club into a series of bad financial decisions which were exposed by HMRCs decision to pull our tax repayment plan.
The rest is history.
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| Being a Bradford fan i enjoy going to Wakey, not as much as i enjoy going to Halifax but still enjoy it lol
Personally i think regardless of their withdrawl Crusaders should have gone followed closely by Harlequins who should then of been replaced by Halifax,
Quins have done nothing for the sport since the start of superleague really, and there attendances are one of the poorest if not the worst,
Although people are arguing that wakey should of gone down, the only reason being the administration other than that there is plenty of clubs that have done bugger all in recent years to warrant super league status, Bradford being one of them - it only their super league history that has possibly kept us a license !!
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"icon_biggrin.gif Actually old bean, you owe your inclusion to the Crusaders on 2 counts.
If they hadn't gone bust last year, then the RFL wouldn't have changed their Solvency Ruling. and you would have been out!
And if the Crusaders hadn't withdrawn their application, (as an expansionist club their position was secure), you'd have been out!
So in gratitude, perhaps next years kit will reflect your unexpected good fortune, with a little motif of a dragon on the left chest..... in red obviously
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You're making a tit of yourself now Billy old chum.
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| Quote ="bren2k"You're making a tit of yourself now Billy old chum.'"
I would suggest he is actually reinforcing the fact he is a tit to be honest
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| Quote ="Uptoncat"No need to justify anything. Our bid was deemed stronger than both yours and Crusaders. Feel for you guys for getting your hopes up, its the fault of the rfl for keeping you hanging on, they should have said better luck next time when Widnes were awarded a place. I agree our promises must be kept, so must Quins, Cas and Salford. Should they not then you and possibly Leigh and Fev will be banging on the door demanding entry, and rightly so. Its not the fault of Wakey or our chairman, we've done what we needed to do to get our license renewed. People believed the hype created by the media that we were gonners but in true wakey style we bounced back and proved the doubters wrong. You as a club need to carry on building and work on the areas where you failed in your application, remember a license can be revoked at any time and should a club fail to deliver you must be ready to take over their place at the top table. For me you should have come up anyway and the league should have expanded but thats one for another day.'"
Build on what??? we ticked the boxes we needed to tick to be in your league, there is nothing else to work on.
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| Quote ="Nat (Rugby_Aholic)"Championship teams, apart from Widnes, are not allowed a scholarship team.'"
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| Quote ="faxtastic"Yes but our application is never going to be stronger is it, we dont get as much sky money, '"
And that is where you are fighting the wrong fight. It is illogical that a side with a stronger application should be relegated in favour of a weaker one. That would make the system a joke. Kear made the same point earlier in the season, that they have said that the 14 best applications win but then promised a berth for a championship club, which had no logic to it, because they had no idea if it was one of the best 14 applications.
If, however, you are saying that franchising is skewed in favour of the super league clubs, and that the franchising system is divisive and dysfunctional, to quote someone else, you'll get no argument from me. It has held us back massively in the last eighteen months, because no one would sign for us. JD made the point on Radio Leeds towards the end of last season.
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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"And that is where you are fighting the wrong fight. It is illogical that a side with a stronger application should be relegated in favour of a weaker one. That would make the system a joke. Kear made the same point earlier in the season, that they have said that the 14 best applications win but then promised a berth for a championship club, which had no logic to it, because they had no idea if it was one of the best 14 applications.
If, however, you are saying that franchising is skewed in favour of the super league clubs, and that the franchising system is divisive and dysfunctional, to quote someone else, you'll get no argument from me. It has held us back massively in the last eighteen months, because no one would sign for us. JD made the point on Radio Leeds towards the end of last season.'"
I think this post pretty much puts the argument put forward by Steel and the odd miffed 'Fax fan to bed
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| I suspect that the Halifax Chairman, unlike anyone on here, knows exactly what boxes his club ticked, hence the sense of outrage.
Of course, the RFL could have called a press conference today, and nipped any aggrieved feelings in the bud by explaining their decision, and allowing publication of all Clubs applications.
Did I miss it?
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"I suspect that the Halifax Chairman, unlike anyone on here, knows exactly what boxes his club ticked, hence the sense of outrage.
Of course, the RFL could have called a press conference today, and nipped any aggrieved feelings in the bud by explaining their decision, and allowing publication of all Clubs applications.
Did I miss it?'"
I suspect that the Halifax chairman, like most on here, knows feck all about what boxes WTWRLFC ticked, hence his sense of outrage is misplaced and silly
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| Quote ="faxtastic"Build on what??? we ticked the boxes we needed to tick to be in your league, there is nothing else to work on.'"
Sort your Junior setup out, attract more speccies - If you had been pulling say 4k and had a full u16's - u23's set up then i'm sure you would have beaten us comfortably to the license - especially with your stadium.
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"Sort your Junior setup out, attract more speccies - If you had been pulling say 4k and had a full u16's - u23's set up then i'm sure you would have beaten us comfortably to the license - especially with your stadium.'"
No they wouldnt, because WE went the third last placed franchise, they would have beaten someone else.
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| Quote ="Schunter"I suspect that the Halifax chairman, like most on here, knows feck all about what boxes WTWRLFC ticked, hence his sense of outrage is misplaced and silly'"
and you base this on your insider knowledge?
I suspect, that you my friend were so confident that WTWRLFC ticked all the boxes, that your winnings from the bookies will be getting delivered by armoured truck!
No, really.
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"icon_biggrin.gif and you base this on your insider knowledge?
I suspect, that you my friend were so confident that WTWRLFC ticked all the boxes, that your winnings from the bookies will be getting delivered by armoured truck!
No, really.'"
Unsurprisingly, given you are a silly billy you have misunderstood the thrust of my post. Not that I give a rats
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| Quote ="BillyRhino"I suspect that the Halifax Chairman, unlike anyone on here, knows exactly what boxes his club ticked, hence the sense of outrage.
Of course, the RFL could have called a press conference today, and nipped any aggrieved feelings in the bud by explaining their decision, and allowing publication of all Clubs applications.
Did I miss it?'"
Some of the applications were 600 pages plus, containing sensitive information, which cannot be divulged to the masses.
Fax’s main beef regarding Wakefield was their assumption that, by going bust, they had broken the terms of the licence. If the Crusaders hadn’t gone bust last year, this would have been the case, however, as they did, the RFL moved the goalposts to protect their sacred cow by removing the stipulation.
The only way, under this system, of a Championship club being elevated to SL is either, one of the current incumbents are booted out / go bust, or, they increase the number of teams. Fax’s chance went when they lost out to Widnes.
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| Quote ="Schunter"Unsurprisingly, given you are a silly billy you have misunderstood the thrust of my post. Not that I give a rats booty'"
You have a thrusting post? I'd get some ointment on that before it turns nasty.
After you've popped down the chemist have a look at the Devil's Advocate posts, he should be able to give you a quick lesson in reality.
I don't do pro bono work
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| Quote ="TrinityIHC"Sort your Junior setup out, attract more speccies - If you had been pulling say 4k and had a full u16's - u23's set up then i'm sure you would have beaten us comfortably to the license - especially with your stadium.'"
set up a junior set up with what??? we have an U23's but we are still trying to raise the money to pay for it just this season alone.
Attract more speccies??? for what to come and watch 20 freindlies a season yeah thats going to happen.
i can see the advertising now. come down and pay £15 to come and watch your local team play a game that is going to mean nothing at the end of the season.
its not really going to work, god knows who you will get next time. because noone in the championship can increase crowds because anyone that isnt already a fan isnt going to come and watch a meaningless game
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| Quote ="faxtastic"set up a junior set up with what??? we have an U23's but we are still trying to raise the money to pay for it just this season alone.
Attract more speccies??? for what to come and watch 20 freindlies a season yeah thats going to happen.
i can see the advertising now. come down and pay £15 to come and watch your local team play a game that is going to mean nothing at the end of the season.
its not really going to work, god knows who you will get next time. because noone in the championship can increase crowds because anyone that isnt already a fan isnt going to come and watch a meaningless game'"
And that in a commendably brief nutshell is why 'licensing' is brilliant for those with a license BUT squeezes the life and soul out of the tiers below SL. BRING BACK P & R!!!
If a team due to be promoted is woefully shy of required standards - give 'em some of the money from the team that should have been relegated (I'd suggest 20%), match it from the RFL (they must be awash with stuff if they can chuck 700K down the Wrexham plughole) and give them chance to improve.
Forget the 'expansion' rubbish for SL - drive expansion by encouraging the Championship and Leagues 1 and 2, SL should be for teams that have earned their place.
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| I feel for all championship fans, we really have to end this farce soon and get back to p & R, initially I was against it but eventually got talked round but I have seen enough already thanks.
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