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| Quote ="not again"point is players want to leave blanch and if rumours are true blaymire want out. latu gleeson could not wait to leave. lets not forget we couldn't keep wilkes snitch martin or drew when we were a top 5 team, ask yourselves why. Noble attracts players because of his reputation as will potter at bradford therefore you can manage with a less money. but when you coaching staff has the a bad rep then you need big money which we clearly dont have.'"
a lot of that is just not right. damien has gone for better brass and we have got plenty of cover for his spot. he was happy enough when i last spoke to him. matty gets on well with jk which i think is well known. the only thing that probrably bothers him is being constantly bagged by some so called fans of young british players. as for latu and gleeson they were never offered contracts. think we all know about tevita and i can tell you first hand sean was ok with wakey when he left. wilkes was offered more money and has never really stayed with any club long. martin was offered more money by cas who then backed out and left him high and dry. drew wasn't offered a contract, deemed to be too old and surplus to requirements. jk was proved right when hudds only got an handfull of games out of him. snitch moved for brass and as far as noble is concerned its nothing to do with his rep its to do with brass. when he was at bradford , they were big spenders. their brass went and so did nobby. to wigan another big spender.now he his at crusaders who didn't have a team till the rfl threw buckets of money at them and if i am right i think he is on a rolling contract ready to move on to the next team with brass. if you want to have a go at the coaching team then do it , don't do it through the players.
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| It was only two weeks ago we were all posting who we wanted to leave.
Blanche Gleeson and Blaymire came hi on the list (still behind Cooke obviously)
Now that has happened, we are saying they are leaving because of Kear.
Let's just have one conspiracy theory at a time please.
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| Ok its because you wated them to leave. blaymire and blanch had a year left on their contracts, but wanted out. from last season look at the players who have left or we couldn't retain and then tell me there is no issue with kear. Its so obvious but we want to blame eveyone or everything else.
Quote ="PopTart"It was only two weeks ago we were all posting who we wanted to leave.
Blanche Gleeson and Blaymire came hi on the list (still behind Cooke obviously)
Now that has happened, we are saying they are leaving because of Kear.
Let's just have one conspiracy theory at a time please.'"
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| Quote ="chissitt"Because of all the rumours flying about with regards to recruitment, I am not sure who these 3 signings are that are [useemed[/u to be nailed on, but if they were there then you would think that the club would have the decency to let us know who they are on the basis that they expect us to part with our money for ST as we are playing an important part in financing the club, but yet it seems they are not concerned whether we know who the new signings are assuming of course there are some which was the original reason for the thread.'"
Bang on, I for one will not buy a ST until I know what I'm going to get for my money.
Gone are the days of blindly buying my ticket after last season.
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| Clearing players out/leaving whatever! how would you like to work for a firm,who's got a tax bill to pay,constant setbacks with new ground,funding issues,coach applying for work elsewhere,bankrupt chairman,useless media people[don't worry everythings fine unfortunately i can't tell you anything if i had kids and a mortgage empty promises wouldn't keep me there.We need funding,coaching staff,forward thinking bod,because unfortunately the fans,the league,and let down superleague players have had enough.[rant over
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| Quote ="TALLYWACKER"Clearing players out/leaving whatever! how would you like to work for a firm,who's got a tax bill to pay,constant setbacks with new ground,funding issues,coach applying for work elsewhere,bankrupt chairman,useless media people[don't worry everythings fine unfortunately i can't tell you anything if i had kids and a mortgage empty promises wouldn't keep me there.We need funding,coaching staff,forward thinking bod,because unfortunately the fans,the league,and let down superleague players have had enough.[rant over'" you have just described about 40% of the companies in the uk ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="lifelongfan"Bang on, I for one will not buy a ST until I know what I'm going to get for my money.
Gone are the days of blindly buying my ticket after last season.'"
I wish people would realise the damage they are doing to the club by NOT buying a season ticket. I appreciate that times are hard (I changed job and lost about 25% of my salary this year - not by choice I might add), but the club can get out of the current hole, or could certainly be helped along the way, if people bought their ST's.
All I would say is that failure to buy ST's, could cause the club more of the very trouble we are concerned about right now. If you don't want to help the club,
fair enough, but please think twice about criticising something that you are not prepared to assist with, unless it suits.
Oh, and the username may require an update!
I know there is a lot that could be better, but we are where we are and we'll be better pulling in the same direction.
Together we are Stronger!
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| I'm getting mine Saturday.
I dont blame people for not bothering at the moment though, I just know I will want to go to every home game next year, regardless of who pulls on the shirt.
Hopefully they will put the effort in. Thats all I ask!
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| Quote ="nicksapheno"neither cas or salford have made quality signings. This is what i feel Kear is talking about'"
Wonderful quote, So Richie Mathers isn't a quality player ? Alright then, I arent saying he is a world beater but he is a quality signing.
And as much as i wouldnt have wanted Cas to have signed many of the players Salford have, They are quality. Luke Pattern is a class player.
Maybe your holding out for Billy Slater and Cooper Cronk ?
Maybe its a fact Wakey are in the brown sticky stuff money wise, And the players you are offering contracts to, Arent happy with the peanuts they are been offered. One of these, Is Nick Fozzard, Who seems to have chose us as we offered a far more suitable deal.
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| Quote ="Wildthing"I'm getting mine Saturday.
I dont blame people for not bothering at the moment though, I just know I will want to go to every home game next year, regardless of who pulls on the shirt.
Hopefully they will put the effort in. Thats all I ask!'"
I can see the reasons why people are hesitant, but if your a 'life long supporter', then you should be supporting the club when it needs it.
Option A - buy a S/T - your money goes in to the club, goes towards the club sorting HMRC and other creditors - allowing it to trade in some kind of normality.
Option B - Don't buy a S/T - the club fail to satisfy HMRC and the bank manager, we go into administration and we immediately forfeit our S/L licence. Bang goes the bright future in the new stadium.
I know the above is over simplistic (not that much), but how would a 'life long supporter' feel if they had played their part in Option B? ![Confused icon_confused.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_confused.gif)
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| Quote ="TRB"I wish people would realise the damage they are doing to the club by NOT buying a season ticket. I appreciate that times are hard (I changed job and lost about 25% of my salary this year - not by choice I might add), but the club can get out of the current hole, or could certainly be helped along the way, if people bought their ST's.
All I would say is that failure to buy ST's, could cause the club more of the very trouble we are concerned about right now. If you don't want to help the club,
fair enough, but please think twice about criticising something that you are not prepared to assist with, unless it suits.
Oh, and the username may require an update!
I know there is a lot that could be better, but we are where we are and we'll be better pulling in the same direction.
Together we are Stronger!'"
I've lost 100% of my income this year so all my expenditure has to be value for money. Sorry but Wakefield Trinity do not supply that at the minute so I won't be getting a season ticket for the first time in a long time, despite my user name. And quite frankly with the mess the club is in and the, lets be honest, awful recruitment that is rumoured, I don't blame anyone for not renewing until some positive signs are seen.
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| Quote ="Wakey Til I Die"=#BF0040I've lost 100% of my income this year so all my expenditure has to be value for money. Sorry but Wakefield Trinity do not supply that at the minute so I won't be getting a season ticket for the first time in a long time, despite my user name. And quite frankly with the mess the club is in and the, lets be honest, awful recruitment that is rumoured, I don't blame anyone for not renewing until some positive signs are seen.'"
That's absolutely understandable - and not just a bit rubbish too - sorry!
But for those that can afford - the question is, do you want a club or not, because if you do, then you need to back the club NOW - whoever is in charge. It's still OUR club.
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| Quote ="TRB"That's absolutely understandable - and not just a bit rubbish too - sorry!
But for those that can afford - the question is, do you want a club or not, because if you do, then you need to back the club NOW - whoever is in charge. It's still OUR club.'"
I know what you mean. Thats why I'm getting mine.
I still understand why some arent though.
But your preaching to the converted with me. ![Very Happy icon_biggrin.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_biggrin.gif)
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| Quote ="TRB"I can see the reasons why people are hesitant, but if your a 'life long supporter', then you should be supporting the club when it needs it.
Option A - buy a S/T - your money goes in to the club, goes towards the club sorting HMRC and other creditors - allowing it to trade in some kind of normality.
Option B - Don't buy a S/T - the club fail to satisfy HMRC and the bank manager, we go into administration and we immediately forfeit our S/L licence. Bang goes the bright future in the new stadium.
I know the above is over simplistic (not that much), but how would a 'life long supporter' feel if they had played their part in Option B?
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I think some are worried with option C - buy a S/T - the club fail to satisfy HMRC and the bank manager, we go into administration and we immediately forfeit our S/L licence. Bang goes the bright future in the new stadium.
Like you say its not that simple. Were not renewing this time not because of HMRC fears but beacuse of the numerous games we watched last year and said we would not be here if it was not for the season ticket. There was no effort at times and it did not improve. Effort and a loss is fine by me its the Trinity way but no effort in these times its hard to justify the money and time (some people dont live in Wakefield who travel to home games).
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| Quote ="MR BROWN"a lot of that is just not right. damien has gone for better brass and we have got plenty of cover for his spot. he was happy enough when i last spoke to him. matty gets on well with jk which i think is well known. the only thing that probrably bothers him is being constantly bagged by some so called fans of young british players. as for latu and gleeson they were never offered contracts. think we all know about tevita and i can tell you first hand sean was ok with wakey when he left. wilkes was offered more money and has never really stayed with any club long. martin was offered more money by cas who then backed out and left him high and dry. drew wasn't offered a contract, deemed to be too old and surplus to requirements. jk was proved right when hudds only got an handfull of games out of him. snitch moved for brass and as far as noble is concerned its nothing to do with his rep its to do with brass. when he was at bradford , they were big spenders. their brass went and so did nobby. to wigan another big spender.now he his at crusaders who didn't have a team till the rfl threw buckets of money at them and if i am right i think he is on a rolling contract ready to move on to the next team with brass. if you want to have a go at the coaching team then do it , don't do it through the players.'"
I think thats bang on and my understanding of all the above transfers.
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| oh go on then ill have 3 ST's please
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| Quote ="TRB"I wish people would realise the damage they are doing to the club by NOT buying a season ticket. '"
I respect your backing of the club, the way you fight it's corner and way you are working with the powers that be to deliver a stadium.
I understand that people not buying a season ticket is damaging to the club. The thing is that when buying a season ticket it is not just a money saver for the supporter and money maker for the club, but it is also a trust thing. You are paying in advance and putting faith in next years product hopefully being even better than the last and honestly at the moment it clearly isn't going to be.
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| I have been a supporter for sixty two years and have seen many hi's and low's in that time but the last season is the worst i have seen for not showing the fighting spirit that Trinity have always been renowned for and there fore until I know who the new signings are for next season I will not be purchasing my ST.The club are giving their supporters very little encouragment through lack of any information regarding strengthening the team,even the rumours of who we are signing give us no confidence that we are moving forward in team development.
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| Quote ="trinfan71"I respect your backing of the club, the way you fight it's corner and way you are working with the powers that be to deliver a stadium.
I understand that people not buying a season ticket is damaging to the club. The thing is that when buying a season ticket it is not just a money saver for the supporter and money maker for the club, but it is also a trust thing. You are paying in advance and putting faith in next years product hopefully being even better than the last and honestly at the moment it clearly isn't going to be.'"
as a Barnsley FC fan and a Trin fan i have acquired the ideas of "follow Blindly" is the best solution.
if i had my way both teams would have loads to spend and be untouchable but it just isnt going to happen. what i dont get is why people are only kicking a fuss up now. its been the same for years.
Truth is whatever happens with regards to who leaves and who comes in, is that WTW have a squad. and watching people put the effort in week in week out. surely everyone on here knows some one who plays for a sports team everyweek who get constantly hammered by the opposition? when you ask them why they do it the answer is always the same "becuse i do it for the love of it" thats why i support WTW because i go to the games for the love of it. which is why my group will be renewing our season tickets
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| Maybe we have not announced any signings because the players that were due to come are now back tracking given the latest news re the taxman, you could hardly blame them.
FWIW, I look at what TRB said like this :
(1) If we are to believe the statement from Diane Maskill then we do not have to worry about the future of the club re the dispute with the taxman and therefore people delaying purchasing a season ticket until they know whats happening on this front and player wise should not be that critical.
(2) I have already paid for mine for next season, but had I known about the tax man issue before I had done, I would have held on, because I like many others cannot afford to lose GBP 185 quid if the club goes under. This is bound to put some fans off as is the lack of any new signing announcements.
(3) If the purchasing of season tickets is crucial to the clubs survival and early purchase at that, then the club should say so rather than making inane "don't worry" statements as they have currently done. This would then make the decision for most fans alot easier (do we want the club to go under or not)
(4) If the club acknowledge that the two most important sets of people they rely on are the supporters and the players, then they would listen better to both sets of people and treat them better. Based on recent postings on here, I would suggest an immediate way to lift some of the gloom would be to replace the current coaching staff, who seem to be arrogantly thinking that their boring one out tactics are ok and it is the players to blame.
It seems to me that if one of the supposed interested parties doesn't come up with something soon, we will be history.
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| Quote ="nicksapheno"neither cas or salford have made quality signings. This is what i feel Kear is talking about'"
I wish we had signed players with no quality like Mathers and Luke Patten, and if rumours are true we are talking about the Likes of Fozzard, Higgins and Penny...LOL LOL. TBH we will not attract quality any players with the The board wanting out, the Tax man knocking on the door, no decision on Newmarket and players in contract leaving, we have nothing that is attractive to a player at the mo, what JK said is when players ask where is the club giong to be in 12/24 month's he can't give them an honest awnser because he dosen't know himself, all were going to attract is players who have little chance of making it in another SL team, or players who have maybe 1 season left at the top level who are going to cost a fortune and swallow up the salary cap, but hey-ho what's new, the Club has been poorly run for years and years so it was ineveatable at some point we were going to come unstuck, it is a family concern at the mo and not a business and certianly not attractive to investers or players......
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| Quote ="TRB"I wish people would realise the damage they are doing to the club by NOT buying a season ticket.'"
I appluad your loyalty TRB, but i can understand people's decision not to renew, i personally haven't renewed yet, i like many am firstly awaiting a couple of things 1.To see how the club come out of the HRMC meeting on the 22nd. 2. Newmarket 3.Recruitment
Granted decisions like recruitment and season ticket sales go hand in hand, but there is too much uncertianty around the club at the mo, and with not one new announcment and with pre-season training starting in little over 3 weeks time (Mon 11th), it's liitle suprise that fans are not rushing to Belle vue, what would happen if the club went under (god forbid) a season ticket would not be any good if there was no club would it ?. Like i said TRB i admire your loyalty but i cannot afford to lose £400 at the mo with so much uncertianty around Belle vue... ![WHISTLE eusa_whistle.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//eusa_whistle.gif)
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| I don't think there is any risk that there will not be a team next season. The main uncertainty we have is a franchise for 2012 which is not helping recruitment nor finding new owners I guess.
October 22nd is the key to all this and following the receipt of OPP I think we will have more certainty and can look forward. We'll just have to put up with the crap until then.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"I don't think there is any risk that there will not be a team next season. The main uncertainty we have is a franchise for 2012 which is not helping recruitment nor finding new owners I guess.
October 22nd is the key to all this and following the receipt of OPP I think we will have more certainty and can look forward. We'll just have to put up with the crap until then.'"
Yep, just about sums it up for me, however, by then the bones will have been picked over.
I’ve no idea how Salford & Cas have sold it to their new recruits, maybe their better blaggers than us, or maybe are more confident than us ![Confused icon_confused.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_confused.gif) .
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| I'll be waiting until the end of October before deciding whether to purchase a season ticket because all will be clearer by then. The things that are going around on the grapevine right now don't make very good listening at all so wait and see is my policy i'm afraid.
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