It's just a classic dumb Wakefield scenario. Bradford haven't won a game since the 14th of May when they beat us at Belle Vue. It would be typical for them to get their next win against us on the 22nd of August at Odsal!

It's not that we're being beaten or thumped every week. It's the manner in which we're being beaten. We're rolling over and lack any backbone. I don't mind losing 58-6 every week so long as i see pride, passion and enthusiasm and that we're moving in the right direction.

But there is no commitment, no progression and no pride. There are a few exceptions to this but i expect better regardless of the scoreline. And i expect from them as individuals to have more pride and courage then they're are showing. This is what they love doing, their career, something they have passion for, where is it???

We've all seen poor seasons, but even then the commitment was never in doubt. I expect better

Yes by Friday night all will be well in the camp and only I with a chip on the shoulder. Then Monday after a 50-0 defeat everyone will be up in arms again.

No all will not be well in the camp and wont be now I imagine until next season. Whether that is with a new coach, new players or both. My point was that trying to be clever with the 'he kept us up in 1847/1925' does your argument no favours as it does not represent what the majority of people, if any, are saying.

Nailed on that mate

I disagree, a hell of a lot of people seem to want him here for fear of losing a lot of money paying him off amongst other things I've "laboured." They further that under the secured construction of a ground we will see a revitalised side. Sorry but what-ifs don't secure success.
It's SL playoff competitiveness we need not a one game fix like a semi final or £1m relegation decider.
All the great things Kear (who is a cracking bloke, don't get me wrong) has done will not help us now, let alone a shell of a coach... I'm sick of just making do with Wakefield Trin related peers saying put up with it, Wakefield is a largely populated area and everyone with interest should be screaming from the rooftops that they want a serious assualt on sporting success.

I can see a new coach syndrome buying us 3 wins from 3 and a new Coach in the off season will see far better preperation than JK chopping and changing then getting sacked after 5 straight defeats.

We aspire to regular play off rugby and Kear is the one who has brought us closest to that. Which other teams on our budget are playing regular play off rugby? I'm not saying any of this justifies keeping Kear indefinitely but it does highlight that it's not that easy a job getting Wakey into the play offs. I would rather give Kear the chance to replace Brough and see how we go at the start of next season than replace him with yet another cheap option and end up 11th or 12th.

Yes but the players who get good money and the players have a chance of the 8 are allready thinking about there holidays disgusting for us. nowt us the fans can do when our spineless players don't try.

unfortunately Lupset, this is the problem. We may be a pretty big city but you still see Rhinos and Bulls stickers on the cars. If they don't come to watch us, we are in reality a small town club.

Thats my view at the present time, but i feel we are out numbered by the Kear out brigade.

Its a BIG gamble either way but i would like to see him assemble a squad and be judged on that rather than this farce of a season with the loss of key players.

If i'm wrong and it goes belly up then i'll support them at any level in any division, these (fans) who are bailing out now (and thats there choice and i respect that ) will do more harm than good.

i give in

Good. close the door on the way out

Who assembled this shower then?

John Kear, Minus the players we lost through one reason or another, i reckon that with those 3 still on board the season would have been slightly better, don't you.

Alot better but until we learn how to defend and slow sides down we're never going to be able to compete with the top 5/6

3 players who Kear signed you mean?

What happens if he signs another unpredictable half back with a history of volatile behaviour and well documented financial problems who sods off half way through the season because somebody wafts a load of £20's under his nose? What happens if he doesn't do his homework and pays big bucks for a NRL prop who turns out to be sap and plays the homesick card and we let him go for frig all to possibly the richest club in the world? What happens if he signs an unhinged controversial hooker who has a history of doing stupid things and disciplinary problems getting suspensions who breaks the laws stupidly and gets banned?

Who's fault will that be?

So its Kears fault for signing those players and not being able to see into the future

Of course he knew Newton was taking the hormone and he knew Danny was going "bust". Troncs stats matched the best in SL during the time he stayed positive, maybe he felt let down by the club not delivering what they promised or we can just blame Kear if you like.

What a silly man he must be.

And the man who signed paul cooke,millard who never gets a pass,gleeson the turnstyle. what asilly man he must be.kears to blame full stop

Maybe not - but its his fault what we are left with are playing clueless pee poor rugby with no heart and passion and its his fault that he has disrupted the club by going for two other jobs. He wanted out, yet half of the fans on here still back him to the hilt, yet question the loyalty of fans who have had enough and said they aren't going anymore - you couldn't make it up.

take a bow

So whats the answer then Tricky.

I question how that helps support the Club and how having no money will help in the long run, how can we sign players with less income.

If you wouldn't take the 2 and a bit seasons we had out of Brough again with another unpredictable half back then you are mad. Tronc was top quality hardly Kear's fault he decided to bugger off and certainly not his fault the club let him walk for nothing. As for Newton yes he is/was a thug but Mystic Meg wouldn't have known he was gonna get caught doing drugs. There are a whole manner of things that Kear has got wrong over his time at the club but the above was clearly beyond his control.

so what about most of the other gash hes signed kears to blame

The poor performances that Kears team have been turning in is what is driving people away, the answer is say bye bye to him and thank him for what hes has done in previous seasons (I would like him to do the decent thing and resign before he tarnishes the memory of his previous achievements by clinging onto his job cos the others he went for didn't come off)

Ted missed a chance when he tried to get compo off catalans

What, the players he signed who took us to 5th in the table last year? Or are we just erasing that?

I ask you this what if, and I know it's never going to happen, Kear pulled another miracle like he did in 1324 and we won the next 3 games and made the play offs would people still want Kear gone despite being the first coach to take us to the play offs twice?