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| Quote ="rollin thunder"my first ever Leeds wakefield game was at bell vue in 1986, Leeds have never ever beaten wakefield without it being entirely the refs fault, they have never been just better than wakefield its always wakefield were somehow cheated, there has been a couple of occasions where the best side lost and leeds sneaked/stole a win they did not deserve, Karl pratts and scott donalds last minute tries for instance, its a bit long in the tooth now, i now we all like to moan about the ref but come on.'"
Quite similar then to when Trinity beat Leeds (or Wigan). I dont think we've ever been credited with playing well.
We usually get some guff about injuries or mystery viruses or training pitches having been waterlogged 6 months ago
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"my first ever Leeds wakefield game was at bell vue in 1986, Leeds have never ever beaten wakefield without it being entirely the refs fault, they have never been just better than wakefield its always wakefield were somehow cheated, there has been a couple of occasions where the best side lost and leeds sneaked/stole a win they did not deserve, Karl pratts and scott donalds last minute tries for instance, its a bit long in the tooth now, i now we all like to moan about the ref but come on.'"
I don`t think you will find many Wakefield fans on here that will say every time Leeds have beat us over the years it was the referees fault, you are either talking to children or adults that act like children. It is quite obvious to me that Leeds have been a far superior side to Wakefield over the past few decades.
I did not go yesterday, so i can`t really comment on the referees performance. What i can say is that up until this season, although i have had the odd moan i have never really had a big gripe with the officials...I have been massively disappointed with the standard of refereeing this season so far, that is not just Wakefield games it is as a neutral as well.
In fact to take any bias away from this post - Kyle Wood quite blatantly stripped the ball twice in the Castleford fixture right in front of the referee yet a knock on was given? Two touch judges, one in clear view on both occasions, 2 in goal judges and the referee stood right in the action and they could come to the correct decision?
I came away from Wigan the other week feeling gutted, as i felt the team had played well enough to be in the game, two forward passes that would have led to tries were given against Wakefield, one of which was no where in a million years forward and the other which wasn`t quite as obvious but was still not forward. Now i can accept that forward passes can be missed, but how on earth can a forward passes be given when they are no where near forward i don`t know.
The standard was not good to start with but has got even worse... The consistency 1. Off individual referees and there performance and 2. The officials across the board is non existent!
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| Quote ="homme vaste"Sorry but although i like to see a great brand of rugby i would take an ugly 2 points any day. At times Wigan are god awful to watch, they slow the game down at the ruck, they are anti offload (even when its on) there set plays can be seen in the amateur game and they spend there time grinding down there opponents until they break... every now and then they throw the ball out to the flanks on an overlap and score a try that is pleasing to the eye.
To answer your question, this is a results business and whatever style of play makes us a hard team to beat is what we should be going with.'"
so what your saying you you'd rather watch boring rugby and get the points than be entertained and take a risk of both, funny how last year we was royally entertain by the Castleford who ripped sides apart playing expansive rugby.
I came away disappointed yesterday by still enjoyed the game
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| The problem with quite a few Wakey fans is,is that because we had a good run when CC took over, then confounded the experts last season, we should now be automatically matching Leeds.
Unfortunately Leeds have been doing what Leeds do for a long time and we've been doing what we've been doing for equally as long, it takes time to build that winning mentality,it doesn't just happen overnight like some expect.
We had enough half chances in the first half to score possibly 3 tries, one knock on on the second tackle after good broken play, one went down a dead end after Tupou picked up a loose ball and Johnstone's fumble on another loose ball.
On another day these three opportunities may have come to fruition.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"my first ever Leeds wakefield game was at bell vue in 1986, Leeds have never ever beaten wakefield without it being entirely the refs fault, they have never been just better than wakefield its always wakefield were somehow cheated, there has been a couple of occasions where the best side lost and leeds sneaked/stole a win they did not deserve, Karl pratts and scott donalds last minute tries for instance, its a bit long in the tooth now, i now we all like to moan about the ref but come on.'"
I stand by what I said about the tackle Pauli did, but that, and the other dubious calls were
not the reason Wakefield lost the match. we cocked up in defence big time leading to one Leeds try, and generally we weren't quite smart enough.
I take heart that, despite spending the least in SL, we're as good in quality as anything I've seen this season.
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| The JJB call to me was a stonewall knock on and should have resulted in us getting the penalty after the Leeds player picked up the ball in front but that's not why we lost the game. Some soft defence on our left edge gifted Leeds an attacking position and they capitalised from that (as champion sides do). To concede from the first set after a try was a real turning point in my eyes, similar to the Warrington game just after half time. We need to learn how to close games out after taking 10-8 point leads.
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| Quote ="wakefield1990"The JJB call to me was a stonewall knock on and should have resulted in us getting the penalty after the Leeds player picked up the ball in front .'"
I thought this but both Kendal and Child were ideally placed and thought not. Is there any video (from side on) to verify either way?
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| It was hall that towered aboveveberyone and knocked the ball forward. I saw it too. Think everyone did.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"I thought this but both Kendal and Child were ideally placed and thought not. Is there any video (from side on) to verify either way?'"
There was no doubt about it. He was definitely offside and everybody but the two that mattered could see that'
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| Quote ="Redscat"There was no doubt about it. He was definitely offside and everybody but the two that mattered could see that''"
Would be nice to see some proof though.
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| Quote ="Trinity1315"No of course not, but even as a Leeds fan you must have thought for a couple of calls the gods were with Leeds.
For instance the penalty on Pauli for the tackle was ridiculous.'"
No, just some you get some you don't. You not think from a Leeds perspective that every call you got looked fine?
Leeds (and Wigan) get their fair share of dodgy calls against them in games but it's doesn't seem to be the injustice it is when it happens to smaller clubs and it's fine.
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"No, just some you get some you don't. You not think from a Leeds perspective that every call you got looked fine?
Leeds (and Wigan) get their fair share of dodgy calls against them in games but it's doesn't seem to be the injustice it is when it happens to smaller clubs and it's fine.'"
Have you had a good view on Rhino TV of the knock on dispute? Give us the answer!
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| Quote ="PrinterThe"Is every call that goes against Wakefield wrong and every call in their favour correct? You'd think Wakefield go 80 mins every week without any foul play.'"
So true lol
Amazing how so many Wakefield fans blame the refs when they lose but when any other club mention the refs it's sour grapes.
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| Quote ="IanTigerman"So true lol
Amazing how so many Wakefield fans blame the refs when they lose but when any other club mention the refs it's sour grapes.'"
I don't think there are any set of fans innocent of that.
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| Though I do agree with Printer, can't we just accept we lost out to the Champions without mentioning the officials? Can this forum go for a month without blaming them?
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| Quote ="Trinity1315"I stand by what I said about the tackle Pauli did, but that, and the other dubious calls were
not the reason Wakefield lost the match. we cocked up in defence big time leading to one Leeds try, and generally we weren't quite smart enough.
I take heart that, despite spending the least in SL, we're as good in quality as anything I've seen this season.'"
most of what i said was slightly tongue in cheek, but wakey fans do like to play the victim.
fact is it was cracking game and credit to Wakefield for forcing Leeds to dig deep and find something extra to get the win, it could have gone either way. the big difference was Leeds were able to find a bit extra intensity for a 10 minute burst that strangled wakey just enough to force some errors and got the scores needed.
best side wakefield have had for a number of years, reckon they will spring a shock or two in next few weeks, the important thing is to hold there nerve keep what their doing but learn a few lessons. the wins will come.
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Have you had a good view on Rhino TV of the knock on dispute? Give us the answer!'"
Haven't seen that and not saying it might not be a harsh or incorrect call but you get them in games. Your 2 point penalty looks like the Wakey attacker has milked that (fair enough our players win penalties in the same way) and for your 3rd try when Golding misses the bomb a Wakey jumps in the air but makes no attempt to catch and makes some contact with Golding, could question that.
Just pointing out it's not the one way traffic with calls that some portray.
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| Quote ="IanTigerman"So true lol
Amazing how so many Wakefield fans blame the refs when they lose but when any other club mention the refs it's sour grapes.'"
I thought you had gone? ...
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| Can this forum go for a month without Wakefield Trinity getting the dross of the refereeing fraternity, Willzay???? We seem to get more than our fair share of the Childs, Kendals and Hicks' of this world
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| I think his biggest error was the knock on by Leeds picked up by a player in an offside position which would have allowed us to even the score. It was unfortunate that Leeds then went downfield to score increasing the gap to 8 points.
To be fair I thought that it was a one on one steal when Hall scored but I couldn’t say for certain it did not go forward.
The bottom line is that the ref ignored many things on both sides which produced our best performance this season.
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"most of what i said was slightly tongue in cheek, but wakey fans do like to play the victim.
fact is it was cracking game and credit to Wakefield for forcing Leeds to dig deep and find something extra to get the win, it could have gone either way. the big difference was Leeds were able to find a bit extra intensity for a 10 minute burst that strangled wakey just enough to force some errors and got the scores needed.
best side wakefield have had for a number of years, reckon they will spring a shock or two in next few weeks, the important thing is to hold there nerve keep what their doing but learn a few lessons. the wins will come.'"
Told you I predicted a Wakefield shock win
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| Quote ="rollin thunder"Told you I predicted a Wakefield shock win'"
Your on the wrong board mate, it's the saints fans you should have predicted the shock win to, most Wakey fans knew different
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| Quote ="chissitt"Your on the wrong board mate, it's the saints fans you should have predicted the shock win to, most Wakey fans knew different
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Just backing up my words of encouragement from last week.
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| Quote ="Redscat"Can this forum go for a month without Wakefield Trinity getting the dross of the refereeing fraternity, Willzay???? We seem to get more than our fair share of the Childs, Kendals and Hicks' of this world'" I wish refs would get stronger when it involves professional fouls, only till it got to our 5 yd line did a player get sent to the bin when to could of cost us the game and there at least 5 previous that could of got the same treatment, fair dos too also binning a player for mouthing off.
a stiffening up of the rules is needed or it will get out of control
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| Quote ="chissitt"Your on the wrong board mate, it's the saints fans you should have predicted the shock win to, most Wakey fans knew different
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I think the key out of place word is "shock"
Its not really a shock, against the general trend maybe but shock seems to indicate there was no reason at all to think we could win.
Its been there on the field plain as day game after game...
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