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| Quote ="RebelRebel"Not interested in the squabbling, and sorry if this has been mentioned before, but...
Did our celebrety guest(s) turn up?
Did we have our all time number one Wakefield Trinity hero sign up as member no.1?
Did we have our all time greatest signing and probably most iconic rugby league player sign up as no.2?
If they didn't turn up, I hope they do in the future.
In the meantime, though we're not quite as important, the rebel family (me and 2 kids) would like to join the supporters' tust. We'd also like a badge each, please. Can someone PM me the forms/details of what I need to do? I can post a cheque for the corresponding amount. Thanks very much.'"
Some answers on Trust website.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Some answers on Trust website.'"
The sign-up details are there, Khlav. Thanks.
This share certificate stuff... am I buying into the club, and am I liable for any debts the club incurs? Am I due a dividend if I sign up? What's that stuff all about?
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| Quote ="chapster"you know reading this thred reminds me why exactly i stay away from this sort of event.
In my minds eye theres someone jumping up in the air waving his arm in the air and shouting "me, me ask me" and when they finally gets asked to ask a question its something like " do you think all refs are rubbish".
not for me.'"
On a par with the usual rubbish
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| The meeting was an enjoyable evening, but I don't think there was too much actual information or news that came out of it. I am not sure what I was expecting, but I was scratching my head afterwards as to what I had hoped for that won't be given to us on June 8th instead.
Some questions I have now about the trust, maybe someone on here can answer them if possible?
Is the ST supposed to be a uniter of all the supporters factions/groups etc.. or an umbrella organisation for them each to co-exist and continue as before? i.e. separate coach trips with different groups to away games, etc...? Surely now is the time to scrap the politics of the past and unite under a new regime and future?
Apart from having the ear of the Management of the club, what is the role of the ST now? At the first meeting I know people were looking to get a step into the club due to the uncertainty and lack of action in the club and doubts of the stability of it. Now we have that stability, hope, etc... what are the main aims of the club if no board place is available.
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| Quote ="RebelRebel"The sign-up details are there, Khlav. Thanks.
This share certificate stuff... am I buying into the club, and am I liable for any debts the club incurs? Am I due a dividend if I sign up? What's that stuff all about?'"
The share certificate is a legal requirement, you will be buying one £1 share in the Wakefield Trinity Supporters Trust, NOT THE CLUB!
Your share/membership entitles you to 1 vote at any AGM or EGM it also entitles you to stand for election onto the Trusts BoD.
No one individual is allowed to buy more than one share or have more than one vote!
Your membership will run from the date you join to the 31st Aug 2012 and will then need to be renewed on an annual basis.
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| Quote ="chapster"yes herod formed the rfls franchise division in ad4, and appointed Canute as developer of expansion by asking him to get the waves of time and regional prejudice to roll back, canute rightly said this was impossible but for many years has been incorrectly ridiculed for being the man who fought the waves, rather than the man who said it could not be done, so Canbute is sort of halifax and widnes, herod, as you say the rfl.
hope this helps'"
For someone that did not go last night you seem to have a lot to say, noticeably rubbish like the rest of your posts, silly me its a forum
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| Quote ="The Clan"The share certificate is a legal requirement, you will be buying one £1 share in the Wakefield Trinity Supporters Trust, NOT THE CLUB!
Your share/membership entitles you to 1 vote at any AGM or EGM it also entitles you to stand for election onto the Trusts BoD.
No one individual is allowed to buy more than one share or have more than one vote!
Your membership will run from the date you join to the 31st Aug 2012 and will then need to be renewed on an annual basis.'"
Thanks Richard, I'll sign up as soon as I can.
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| Quote ="RichieWarlord"Is the ST supposed to be a uniter of all the supporters factions/groups etc.. or an umbrella organisation for them each to co-exist and continue as before? i.e. separate coach trips with different groups to away games, etc...? Surely now is the time to scrap the politics of the past and unite under a new regime and future?
Apart from having the ear of the Management of the club, what is the role of the ST now? At the first meeting I know people were looking to get a step into the club due to the uncertainty and lack of action in the club and doubts of the stability of it. Now we have that stability, hope, etc... what are the main aims of the club if no board place is available.'"
You've read my mind, they were the two things which came out of it I wondered about. As good as getting rid of the old regime was, that initial buzz about having a real say in changing things because of our collective ownership isn't there.
Don't get me wrong, I came out of the night still feeling positive about the Trust and the initial steps the club has taken under Glover. I guess the revolution I wanted to be a part of has already happened!
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| Quote ="The Clan"The share certificate is a legal requirement, you will be buying one £1 share in the Wakefield Trinity Supporters Trust, NOT THE CLUB!
Your share/membership entitles you to 1 vote at any AGM or EGM it also entitles you to stand for election onto the Trusts BoD.
No one individual is allowed to buy more than one share or have more than one vote!
Your membership will run from the date you join to the 31st Aug 2012 and will then need to be renewed on an annual basis.'"
Members can vote from the age of 16 but are unable to stand for a place on the board until they are 18.
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| Quote ="RichieWarlord"The meeting was an enjoyable evening, but I don't think there was too much actual information or news that came out of it. I am not sure what I was expecting, but I was scratching my head afterwards as to what I had hoped for that won't be given to us on June 8th instead.
Some questions I have now about the trust, maybe someone on here can answer them if possible?
Is the ST supposed to be a uniter of all the supporters factions/groups etc.. or an umbrella organisation for them each to co-exist and continue as before? i.e. separate coach trips with different groups to away games, etc...? Surely now is the time to scrap the politics of the past and unite under a new regime and future?
Apart from having the ear of the Management of the club, what is the role of the ST now? At the first meeting I know people were looking to get a step into the club due to the uncertainty and lack of action in the club and doubts of the stability of it. Now we have that stability, hope, etc... what are the main aims of the club if no board place is available.'"
To answer your questions:
The Trust would like to unite all supporters groups and ideally that would see just a single group. However we are a democratic organisation and if the groups wish to retain their identities and work under the umbrella of the Trust then thats better than them not being involved with the Trust at all. Its early days and its fair to say that the Trust will evolve and you cannot sort everything overnight. I think the Club made it clear that they only wish to deal with a single organisation and that will be the Trust.
The aim of owning and controlling shares with a view to having a seat on the Board remains an aim of the Trust and is laid down in our Rules. Andrew Glover has stated that he will not be offering shares in the Club so there is not a great deal we can do about that at the moment but who knows, that situation could change if the Club looks to secure new investment and if it does we want to be in a position to acquire shares and have a stake in the Club.
The main aims of the Trust at the moment is to be the conduit for open and honest communication between the Club and the Supporters and to work in partnership with the Club to achieve a sucessful and sustainable future.
Remember the Trust is owned by its Members and they dictate how the Trust is run. The current interim Board will all stand down at the AGM and democratic elections will take place in order to establish the Board who will then take the Trust forward. The Trust will be a democratic organisation and Board members will be accountable to the Membership and can be removed if the Members so wish. It will not become a "clique" with Board Members having "inside information", "free tickets" etc. - if it does then I for one will have nothing to do with it. Board Members are no different to any Member of the Trust and will not receive any privilages - they are servants of the Trust.
There is a new "feelgood factor" at the Club and a feeling that we are going places. The Trust can be very much involved in this process but we need to have as many members as possible. The more members we have the louder our voice and the more the Club will engage with us. We are a new organisation and whilst last night in my opinion was a success there is still a great deal of work to be done.
As a previous poster has said, the Revolution has begun, we need to be part of it and for that we need your support in big numbers - I sincerely hope we receive it.
Hopefully that answers your questions but if you have any more feel free to ask but not tonight - I'm off to bed.
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| Just a reminder for everyone of the clubs generous offer to Trust members.
If you have joined the Trust you can have Bronze membership for free or Silver membership for just £10
Bearing in mind that this weekends game against Catalans is a category C game you can get your SIlver membership for £10 and then save that exact same amount on a ticket for the Catalans game (effectively getting all your money back immediately then every other game you save on is a bonus)
To get your memberships just turn up at the shop with some ID and your Supporters Trust certificate.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"The aim of owning and controlling shares with a view to having a seat on the Board remains an aim of the Trust and is laid down in our Rules. Andrew Glover has stated that he will not be offering shares in the Club so there is not a great deal we can do about that at the moment but who knows, that situation could change if the Club looks to secure new investment and if it does we want to be in a position to acquire shares and have a stake in the Club.'"
Is obtaining a seat on the board necessarily a function of owning shares? If there is 100% support for the Trust at the executive level, which there certainly seemed to be judging by the enthusiasm at the launch on Tuesday, surely there is nothing stopping Mr Glover offering a seat on the board to a Trust representative, with or without shares?
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| Quote ="chapster":k76t04jf[u:k76t04jfyou know reading this thred reminds me why exactly i stay away from this sort of event.[/u:k76t04jfIn my minds eye theres someone jumping up in the air waving his arm in the air and shouting "me, me ask me" and when they finally gets asked to ask a question its something like " do you think all refs are rubbish".
not for me.'" its a high horse you ride for a little man be very careful not to fall off.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Is obtaining a seat on the board necessarily a function of owning shares? If there is 100% support for the Trust at the executive level, which there certainly seemed to be judging by the enthusiasm at the launch on Tuesday, surely there is nothing stopping Mr Glover offering a seat on the board to a Trust representative, with or without shares?'"
Andrew Glover stated during his first fans forum that there is no Board of Directors at the moment, it is just he and James Elston supported by their Management team. It therefore follows that the best we could hope for is a commitment from the club for either Andrew or James or both to attend Supporters Trust meetings on a regular basis and we already have this commitment from them.
Let me reinforce Sandal Cats point that the more members we have the greater our significance becomes and the opinions of the supporters must be listened to and can't be ignored. To be fair to Andrew & James they have both indicated in word and deed that they want to have the input of the supporters via the Supporters Trust.
There may be a time when shares become available and the Trust would hope to have a sufficiently large enough membership so as to secure a large amount of shares and therefore increase our influence.
Finally, and I hate to say this because things are ultra positive at the moment and we are now a professionally run club but.......There was a time (1999) when the previous management were untouchable and were doing many positive things for the club.
The rest is history, just a few months ago we would have collectively given our right arms to have a Supporters Trust of some significance who might have had an influence on the previous regimes decision making.
Let's not get complacent now that things are going so well because who knows what the future holds and whether there may be a time for the voice of the supporters to be raised In the hope of altering the direction of the club.
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| Quote ="chissitt"In the main this thread remains positive despite your feelings, kinleycat and myself had a difference of opinion which was debated on a thread on a forum about a subject we both had first hand knowledge of, if this practice has now deceased let me be the first to apologise. You on the other hand should make the effort to attend one of these meetings now and again and then you would be able to form your own opinion and give a balanced view of your own instead of sniping at people what have the passion and make the effort to turn up, [Danny Brough has gone squire get over itits a high horse you ride for a little man be very careful not to fall off.'"
Fair enough, on reflection my post was stupid and could be percieved as an attack on those doing good work, for which I wholeheartedly and genuinely apologise.
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| Quote ="bren2k"Is obtaining a seat on the board necessarily a function of owning shares? If there is 100% support for the Trust at the executive level, which there certainly seemed to be judging by the enthusiasm at the launch on Tuesday, surely there is nothing stopping Mr Glover offering a seat on the board to a Trust representative, with or without shares?'"
I think The Clan has gone someway to answering your question but a seat on the Board is not necessarily a function of owning shares. However if you own/control a sufficient number of shares you can automatically have a seat on the Board and that is what we were looking to do with the previous regime but thats all changed.
You are right, Andrew Glover could offer a seat on the Board to Trust representative but why should he. He hardly knows us, we have only 100 members (early days yet) so we cannot in all honesty say we represent all the Supporters of Wakefield Trinity. If we had 1,000 plus members say then that's a different matter.
The Trust needs to have a substantial membership and then earn through its support and actions for the Club the respect of Andrew. We then may have a case for Board membership that he may consider but I feel we are some way off that - we have a lot of hard work ahead of us.
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| Quote ="The Clan"Andrew Glover stated during his first fans forum that there is no Board of Directors at the moment, it is just he and James Elston supported by their Management team. It therefore follows that the best we could hope for is a commitment from the club for either Andrew or James or both to attend Supporters Trust meetings on a regular basis and we already have this commitment from them.
Let me reinforce Sandal Cats point that the more members we have the greater our significance becomes and the opinions of the supporters must be listened to and can't be ignored. To be fair to Andrew & James they have both indicated in word and deed that they want to have the input of the supporters via the Supporters Trust.
There may be a time when shares become available and the Trust would hope to have a sufficiently large enough membership so as to secure a large amount of shares and therefore increase our influence.
Finally, and I hate to say this because things are ultra positive at the moment and we are now a professionally run club but.......There was a time (1999) when the previous management were untouchable and were doing many positive things for the club.
The rest is history, just a few months ago we would have collectively given our right arms to have a Supporters Trust of some significance who might have had an influence on the previous regimes decision making.
Let's not get complacent now that things are going so well because who knows what the future holds and whether there may be a time for the voice of the supporters to be raised In the hope of altering the direction of the club.'"
They have already shown they listen to fans , as some suggestions have been actioned, I hope with the supporters trust , this continues
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"I think The Clan has gone someway to answering your question but a seat on the Board is not necessarily a function of owning shares. However if you own/control a sufficient number of shares you can automatically have a seat on the Board and that is what we were looking to do with the previous regime but thats all changed.
You are right, Andrew Glover could offer a seat on the Board to Trust representative but why should he. He hardly knows us, we have only 100 members (early days yet) so we cannot in all honesty say we represent all the Supporters of Wakefield Trinity. If we had 1,000 plus members say then that's a different matter.
The Trust needs to have a substantial membership and then earn through its support and actions for the Club the respect of Andrew. We then may have a case for Board membership that he may consider but I feel we are some way off that - we have a lot of hard work ahead of us.'"
Thank you - good points, well made.
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| Quote ="vastman"You would know
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Sharp as a tack you fatboy, I noticed you did not turn up on tuesday night to support the newly founded Trust and to listen to what AG had to say, I bet if your uncle Ted had been there you would have chosen to go instead of watching Coronation St. also this way you get the best of both worlds, you don't have to put your hand in your pocket and still get the opportunity to be rude to people what did
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| Is there an everyone hate Vastman campaign at the moment, did I miss something?
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| Quote ="inside man"Is there an everyone hate Vastman campaign at the moment, did I miss something?'"
Seem so
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| Quote ="inside man"Is there an everyone hate Vastman campaign at the moment, did I miss something?'"
No, but we have a few posters who log in and offer nothing other than having a dig at someone.
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| Quote ="inside man"Is there an everyone hate Vastman campaign at the moment, did I miss something?'"
Nah. I think he's great.
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| Quote ="BIGAL1"No, but we have a few posters who log in and offer nothing other than having a dig at someone.'"
Some deserve it, some don't, just think he seems to be taking more than his fair share in recent times, it's funny how people applaud Kears comments on Johnson regards his impending court case yet Vastman says the same regarding the previous board and it's like he has just been caught mudering innocent children?
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