My first post was a response to what appeared to be a "reasonable" opposition to the proposals from someone who had no benefit coming from the proposals.

Unfortunately, your second post clearly shows you to be a fully paid up member of the NIMBY brigade and thus not open to a proper debate on the subject.

Many sites which used to be pit sites have been landscaped and returend to nature sites. However this one in particular benefits from it's location adjacent to the motorway, and that, in my view, renders it liable to development as the traffic movements, once off the motorway, will be as small as can reasonably be accomodated.

In comparison to ALL the other motorway junctions, this one has escaped for a long time:
Junction 39 has been developed - partly on old quarry workings, but much of it on arable land (some belonging to my ancestors many moons ago - and no, we didn't sell it for development).
Junction 40 has seen a great deal of development over recent years - again there is history of mine workings in the area, but there is also arable farming which has been lost.
Junction 41 now has the junction 41 estate (some of this land was sold by uncle to allow development, unfortunately he sold it in the 70's because he couldn't make money out of rhubarb at the time) and it has Paragon.
Junction 31 on the M62 has Normantion ind est and the Freeport site.
Junction 32 has - well, everything!

So, why would it not be suitable to develop J30 as the next logical move, on land previously used for heavy, dirty, industry and which in turn offers the opportunity to provide Wakefield with much needed sporting facilities - both to encourage and develop activity in sport for achievers at all levels and to preserve our sporting heritage and prevent the removal of the the most significant 'Wakefield' branded organisation from the top level of it's sport.

It's a no-brainer for me - even allowing for some sympathy for those in the midst of it all.

The problem that Wakefield has is a shortage of industrial/commercial land for the long term future which it needs in order to create the much needed jobs the district requires. I know that there are developments on junctions of the M1 and M62 but these are becomong developed and Junction 30 offers the district a long term opportunity for job creation which needs to be taken. I understand that Leeds are looking at the otherside of the mororway so I suspect the junction will be developed.

With regard to Green Belt, yes part of the site is Green Belt but it is not historic Green Belt or Ancient Woodland or anything of Conservational value. It was the former Newmarket Silkstone Colliery which has gone and the site holds no heritage value. It will have been designated Green Belt when the pit closed and at the time there was no requirement for more industrial/commercial land but times have moved on and we need developments that will create employment and waht better place than at the side of the M62.

This development is not just about a Stadium. Of course we want to see a Stadium that we can call home but Wakefield need this development for its long term future and that of its residents. I only hope the people of Wakefield can see this and it would be nice for the Editorial of the Wakefield Express to see the benefits to Wakefield and give its supports.

There may be other sites suitable for a stadium on its own, but given that the club has already sold Belle Vue and there is a need to have external funding to build a new ground the ONLY solution is for a larger development that includes a stadium rather than a stand alone project.

Whilst a large warehouse may have a relatively small people working in it, there are the other jobs created by the distribution (i.e. drivers) that you won't see within the building.

Rather than spending time posting your drivel on here, you should either get out & appreciate the manufactured green belt while it lasts or get searching for a new house in the middle of a national park.

BTW you still havent answered my original question.

What % of Wakefields greenbelt would this development wipe out?

As you did state it would wipe out a large chunk.

Do you honestly believe that a stadium built in isolation(even if it was financially viable) wouldnt then lead to further development?

Just listen to yourself. That is utterly ridiculous - just which 'community' do you represent? The one that lives on Newmarket Lane, or the one which includes 15,000 folk who have voted to say yes to the need for a stadium, or the one that includes families struggling to find work in these difficult times.

That last phrase is a threat by any other name. If I were you I would keep my powder dry for now, as you clearly wish to de-rail the train - but we will be making sure it stays right on track - and we believe that we have the 'community' interests very much at heart!

1 if theres an award for bravest post of the year, well you left it late but you have won it!
2. I await the arrival of sandal cat with his knowledge of the brown belt issues which will see your argument dissolve in to oblivion.=#FF0000 EDIT SEE ABOVE!!!!!
3. Id happily pay you in to the first game at the new ground should it happen, for being brave enought to at least be honest, trust me its great and youd come back!
4.Industrial units do bring jobs, yes there are 6 people in fork lifts yoou can see outside, most of the people work inside the buildings, its like a house you see, just because you cant see the people does not mean they dont live there, maybe we could build glass industrial units??
5. happy new year anyway!

My sister lives in Stanley, she was dead against the Thornes development, she now wants the thornes developement back on.

Unlucky, be careful what you wish for come sometimes you get it. Nimby's should all be shot , they prevent the world from progressing.

Could you be more specific on the highlighted points.

What are your beliefs?

Where are these other sites that would be commercially and financially viable that you are sure exist?

What other developments in the past are you referring to and did you oppose these sites?

Did you oppose the Thornes Park proposals?

I would presume you are a member of WCCG.
The video is quite laughable and actaully highlights the need to move away from predominately residential areas,yet you state you are happy for just the stadium to be built -- seems to contradict what your little band of followers believe!!!!!

Showing rubbish in gardens -- get real and no disrespect to Belle Vue/Agbrigg,but you could walk down many streets in Agbrigg and find that amount of litter in a garden.That has more to do with the residents than the stadium.

Your own website even highlights the fact that Wakefield need a new stadium to protect their super league survival.

The facts are,you dont give a monkeys about Wakefield Wildcats,the benefits to the wider community of a first class sporting facility,the benefits of job creation.

The simple fact is you just dont want the development next to you!! and are trying to hide behind the greenbelt issues.

God having looked at the wccg site the whole thing turns in to farce, hey everyone theres a crisp packet on the floor on a street in wakefield www.wakefieldccg.co.uk/ anyway for fun lets count the spelling errors and gramatical errors on that page alone,we are not dealing with clever people here! and i withdraw my offer to pay to take you to a game as i dont mix with people who's iq is lower than their weight in tons!

God having looked at the wccg site the whole thing turns in to farce, hey everyone theres a crisp packet on the floor on a street in wakefield www.wakefieldccg.co.uk/ anyway for fun lets count the spelling errors and gramatical errors on that page alone,we are not dealing with clever people here! and i withdraw my offer to pay to take you to a game as i dont mix with people who's iq is lower than their weight in tons!

Quote ="chapster"God having looked at the wccg site the whole thing turns in to farce, hey everyone theres a crisp packet on the floor on a street in wakefield www.wakefieldccg.co.uk/ anyway for fun lets count the spelling errors and gramatical errors on that page alone,we are not dealing with clever people here! and i withdraw my offer to pay to take you to a game as i dont mix with people whis iq is lower than their weight in tons!'" Its worth a chuckle isnt it!!! It was good to see they interviewed a cross section of society,including,crackheads,illegal immigrants ,single parents and for pity sake a Volvo driver!!!!!!!!!!!

Quote ="chapster"God having looked at the wccg site the whole thing turns in to farce, hey everyone theres a crisp packet on the floor on a street in wakefield www.wakefieldccg.co.uk/ anyway for fun lets count the spelling errors and gramatical errors on that page alone,we are not dealing with clever people here! and i withdraw my offer to pay to take you to a game as i dont mix with people whis iq is lower than their weight in tons!'" Its worth a chuckle isnt it!!! It was good to see they interviewed a cross section of society,including,crackheads,illegal immigrants ,single parents and for pity sake a Volvo driver!!!!!!!!!!!

Being a resident of Stanley myself I went 'trespassing' on the the relevant piece of land when it was announced that the stadium was to be there.

It is not a landscaped, parkland, grassy field sort of area in any shape or form - it is rough, waste land which is very difficult to walk over. There are no views at all of this vast area from Newmarket Lane so nothing will change regarding views for residents there and I understand all the new buildings will be low so again will not be eyesores.

The letter in the Express last week talked about losing farmland ... there is most definitely no farmland on the site. There is a 'market garden farm' next to the land where the stadium is going (on the corner of Aberford Road/Newmarket Lane) which belongs to relatives of mine and I am not aware that they have any problems with the plan.

When anything is built anywhere someone will be unhappy - but I cannot think it would be possible to find any site that could be developed in such a way and affect so few people.

About Us

About wakefield ccg

Wakefield CCG was formed by residents on Newmarket Lane Stanley Wakefield, In order to voice our opposition to proposals to develop the Silkstone Colliery site off Newmarket Lane into a 12,000 seat stadium.

The reasons we are so vehemently opposed to such a proposal is due to the site being in the Green belt and one of the few areas of open grassland left in the area.

Silkstone Colliery was worked for over 100 years and was finally closed in 1982. In 1997 a proposal was put forward to reclaim coal from the slag heaps on the site and then to fill the land, in order to provide an open grassland planted with trees and heather for recreational use. Work commenced on this scheme and took over 4 years to complete. Local residents put up with upto 80 Tipper trucks a day in the knowledge that the disruption was worth it in order to gain a valuable amenity. At the end of the scheme hundreds of tress where planted and bridleways put in place.

Yorkcourt property developers are now proposing to build a stadium on the site. Wakefield council are supporting this proposal by donating land. This is despite the fact that development on this site has not been part of any strategic planning for Wakefield council contradicts Wakefield councils goals for future development and is in the Greenbelt.

We believe that this proposal is an oppourntunistic attempt to exploit the failure of Wakefield Council to build a stadium on the Thornes Park site and the pressing need for Wakefield Wilcats to find a new home in order to protect there Super League franchise.

WCCG’s aim is to stop development in the Greenbelt and to ensure promises that where given at the time of the sites reclammation are adhered to

Something they seem to forget that its against the law and to add to that i saw a crisp packet blowing around down ther the other day

And the land is owned by Yorkcourt not the Council. At the entrance to said area there has been a large notice for a long time saying 'Trespassers will be Prosecuted' ... so not much of an amenity for anyone!

I wonder what the response to that will be.

We will probably have to wait while the poster returns home after his shift of protecting the red tailed crested doormouse that lives between the Half Moon and the wobblies.

helpfully, they are opened to reasoned debate themselves and have a comments page wher you can submit er comments www.wakefieldccg.co.uk/2009/09/0 ... me/#more-1 sandal cat my old mucker, over to you as you know your facts on this score!

helpfully, they are opened to reasoned debate themselves and have a comments page wher you can submit er comments www.wakefieldccg.co.uk/2009/09/0 ... me/#more-1 sandal cat my old mucker, over to you as you know your facts on this score!

Just had a look at the video & must appluad it for a great piece of comedy.

I don't think any of us will disagree that BV is not in a great location for people who are driving there, but as for the parking on the streets it's something that we are all allowed to do if there are no restrictions.

I have no doubt that a very small minority of fans (of either side playing) might drop some litter in the area around the ground, but having walked through Agbrigg many times to & from the match (with the walk to the match usually in time for the Academy game if there's been one on before the first team game) I can honestly say that the amount of litter is not noticably different after the match than it has been 2 or 3 hours before kick off.

It's clear that WCCG is simply not interested in the issue of conservation in the Wakefield area as they are doing nothing to update their site - in addition to the propaganda video there's only 1 "news" item and that's from the brginning of September.

Until they can demonstrate some interest in the community of Wakefield they should rename themselves as the Newmarket Lane CCG rather than using the Wakefield name in vane to give the impression of representing the views of the city.







NIMBY's

oh god the video is priceless!!!! it surely is the greatest contribution to the promotion of Wakefield ever made!

and that woman in the trin shirt is so obviously a plant, shes got a medium shirt on for a start, so it has to be a fake!!

I reckon it was filmed in Cas as i am sure tigerman was on there.

The can't even spell Belle Vue properly. [iView.[/i

Its a rather sad video.

Quite laughable really.

Parking wouldnt be a problem round that area,if they impounded all the residents cars that arent taxed and dont have any insurance!!!

pretty sure the first guy interviewed is a steve coogan voiceover too, a sort of asian Paul Calf, by far the funniest thing Ive seen this xmas!

Welcome to the rugby league fans community,

As TRB as already stated there is no stadium without the industrial development and therefore any sentiment you express regarding the stadium is meaningless whilst ever you are opposing the wider development.

I live and always have lived just a third of a mile from junction 40 of the M1 an area which has been extensively developed over the last 15 years. To add to that development there has also been the construction of a major supermarket, a Hotel, a massive gymnasium and the development continues. All this on Dewsbury Road one of the main arterial roads into Wakefield city centre and one of only two main roads that lead to my home. When these developments were in the planning there was a lot of fear about how it would affect the environment around where we lived, access to our homes, danger to our children and so on and so on.

When I look back and think about some of those fears, if I am totally honest, virtually non-have been realised to the extent that we thought they would. In many ways these developments have breathed new life into the area, many of the local shops do much greater business, many of the local people have found employment in these new developments, much of the area is now cleaner, tidier and is maintained more often.

Now I'm not naive enough to believe that every development in every area will have the same positive or negative impact but when I compare junction 40 with the proposed development of a distribution centre at Newmarket Lane, with traffic entering and leaving the motorway without troubling the residential area, I just can't see it having anywhere near the negative impact you envisage.

As for greenbelt land around Wakefield, there is plenty. You should head up towards Bretton, Hall Green, Denby Dale, not to mention the various nature reserves, Nostell even Stanley has lots of greenbelt land surrounding it beyond the Newmarket Lane area (take a look at Newmarket Lane on Google maps, you'll struggle to find areas of development between swathes of greenbelt land).

You ask us to realise that there is a bigger picture yet it seems you have closed your mind to the positives and the benefits that this development will bring!

lol spot on. I bet half of those people interviewed who passed comment on the parking don't even own a car.

We should make one showing "the reality of living near a rugby stadium" with all the fans leaving and handing out chocolates and flowers to the local residents - it'd be a bit more credible than theirs at least.