IMHO = means In my honest opinion, which is what this forum represents despite the fact that some seem to think they actually know which always makes me laugh.

So I(your)HO you think the way you do and you believe it, but IMHO I don't. As stated, know your enemy and I've watched for years how Leeds work. Thus I think and admit hope (a lot) that my intuition is right on this.

As for the named players bit, this is where you totally undo your argument. Only a Leeds fans could be conceited (and I don't blame you) enough to suggest that any of these players were not named or much lorded players, especially Poching, Dunemann, Pitts(as an up and coming), Leuluai and Lunt - this shows what a splendid some Leeds fans live on and why Amor is probably best not visiting it. Most other clubs would be happy with any of those players as major signings (that is the back handed compliment you are missing in spectacular style by the way).

Poching not a named player is especially hillarious as when you signed him he was probably the hottest overseas player in SL

clearly you're upset at being handed your backside on a plate by a leeds fan, but that really shouldn't prevent you from understanding that i was actually agreeing with you.

who is this rhuby of whom you speak?

I'm not sying that those players were nobodies, but few of those named were rated any higher than Amor. The way you go on Leeds would only sign Peacock/Buderus level proven internationals. No doubt you'd have said, crossing your fingers, that Poching wasn't a Leeds "named player" signing at the time.

You obviously don't know how Leeds work, by the way, but, as a matter of interest how do Leeds's last six signings (Achurch, Griffin, Moore, Lunt, Hauraki, Cross) fit into your "humble" opinions, and which of them are more or less feted than Amor?

Maybe Amor will stay at Wakefield, but it won't be for the baseless reasons you've constructed out of thin air with your magical intuition.

While I'm here, could you give an example of a clapped-out big signing from a top club over the last 15 years? Only Jamie Peacock fits the bill as being both a big signing and being from (at the time) another top club (Gareth Ellis need not apply). Was he clapped-out or am I misremembering?

Would also like to see a chart comparing domestic and overseas front-rowers for Leeds and Wakefield over a similar time period that backs up Leeds signing Aussie props as "instinct".

You really don't want to take a compliment do you.

I'll go with Darrell Griffin, top club Hudds so we are told and a recent England International - but looks clapped out now IMHO. You and I may not rate him as a top player but many do or at least did.

Was Ellis from a top club! WOW and thanks.

At what point did I in any way suggest Wakefield recruitment policy was in any way equal to Leeds - I would not dream of suggesting such a thing.

In your pedantry and paranoid fashion you seem to be reading into my post a criticism of the Leeds club that clearly isn't there.

My argument revolves purely around one player and how my perceived opinion of the Leeds mind set might affect the final outcome. It's just speculation, an opinion - something we are allowed in this great nation of ours.

Or would you just be happier if I typed "we all hate Leeds, we all hate Leeds" over and over which is what you normally get.

stop digging vastman. i think you've been "owned".

The point was that Ellis WASN'T from a top club

Give it a rest, nobody has used the term "owned" in years - but you keep on with this one like the parasite you are, it's the closest you'll ever get to a win.

I know I was being ironic - now shall we move on.

Leeds IMHO will go for bigger and possibly better in their opinion than Amor. If they do take him back then fine, like most on here I'm grateful to Leeds for loaning him in the first place.

So you can either accept that or be doomed to having Rhubarb as a friend and IMHO you don't deserve that

i am sure that your personal abuse towards me will incur the full wrath of the moderating team.

i don't like the term owned, i have never really used it, but it did seem appropriate here - oh and people still do use it quite frequently so once more you're digging when already in a hole.

the poster from leeds has handed you your backside on a plate, and yet you still can't let it go.

oh jesus, that sounds like the bottom of the barrel being scraped. griffin is not and has never been a big high profile player. leeds got caught short a bit last year with their recruitment and hence why they ended up with richard moore (who quite frankly post his crohns diagnosis is below average) and darrell griffin who has a heart the size of a pea.

i've heard it suggested that as it looked like they were on the slide (league position) they struggled to attract who they wanted. this may or may not be true, but hats off to mcderrmott for taking them to the title from where he did.

You can both cut it out.
Debate by all means.

No old luv that's just your opinion on him, though I tend to agree with it - fact is others don't agree which is why he joined Hudds then Leeds, two top spending teams with genuine ambition who pay him very well indeed. With 4 England caps and as I say a member of a top club he is a big name signing and if it were not for Griffins history with our club you'd think the same.

i think you'll find that i have engaged in debate, without name calling. the usual suspect however cannot be said to have done likewise.

griffin has "england" caps just like jamie rooney has "england" caps.

Deary me you don't change - "usual suspect" is a classic. Why attempt to wind people up if you don't like the rough and tumble you get in return



FWIW I think you're incorrect but without doing a bit of research and to be honest your not worth it I can''t be sure - Rooney got a cap for England A as far as I remember where as Griffins Caps were full International as far as I recall.

i wouldn't expect you to do any research, given that you didn't do any on the "leeds only sign old big name duffers" point that you made. perhaps you were thinking of bradley clyde and brett mullins? both a long time ago now.

Well you do it for me then, did Griffin get full England Caps?

Also not that it matters because your hanging onto this one for dear life, but at no point did I say Leeds "only" sign old duffers.

i have no intention of doing your research for you. i don't remember him playing in the three/four nations matches. they're generally the ones that people are serious about.

i know whatever he has in the way of caps he hasn't deserved.

Not oversensitive at all.. Just logical...which your ramblings are not. I can take as many trite old hackneyed cheap-shots as you want, but reserve the right to reply to uninformed and ill-reasoned 'intuitions'... even when they are apologetically and wrongly described as 'back handed compliments'

Leeds, if I recall correctly, signed Amor from a team that were 5th in the Championship at the time. He hardly came as a high-profile big-money signing with massive expectations.
Your obsession with a Leeds 'mindset' is particularly amusing. Leeds apply exactly the same criteria in buying players that any other club in SL do, ie ability, affordability, age, experience, attitude, which gaps need filling in the squad, will the player fit in, etc. There is nothing at all in these criteria which prohibit the permanent signing of players who come on dual-contract. This will remain true whether Amor decides to return to Leeds or not.

Hold on tiger, at no point was I apologising to you - but typically presumptive and arrogant as usual I can see why you'd presume such. It's was an opinion on a WAKEFIELD forum site regarding our chances using the "know your enemy" analogy - it was not intended as a Pulitzer prize winning piece of literature - just an opinion - not gospel - you know how forums tend to work, random musings.

So anyway I just checked the AUP's and nowhere does it state that all opinions regarding Leeds RLFC have to be justified to Chief Stinkwort or any other anally retentive Leeds based pedants. So that's how I see it, no apology I can assure you buddy!

the way this forum works is vastman is never wrong. ever. even when he/she/it clearly is. he's had his backside handed to him on a plate several times on this thread and still it continues.

leeds did used to throw money around unwisely, i think that gary hetherington is exactly what all clubs need - part ceo, and part director of football. he knows about players, he knows about scouts and is vastly experienced in this field. james elston is finding his feet, and the result was he signed some right duffers. leeds rarely do these days.

You keep piggy backing as much as you like and keep pretending you've won some sort of perceived victory by proxy if it helps you feel better - me I'll move on now and enjoy the rest of my life

The only problem with this forum is if you forget to sign in before you read the threads the person you have blocked posts appear. Needless to say I signed in sharpish to avoid the arrogant inane drivel served up as per usual.

Topic is Kyle Amor, either comment on that or log out.


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