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| In fact NM would be ok for both cas and us, glasshoughton is in cas so wouldn't be supported by our fans
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"B. There was other misinformation that I cannot reveal on a public forum but I believe it was intended to keep the Club and the Trust/SWAG apart.'"
You don't have to reveal what was said, misinformed but from what source did the misinformation come from
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| I know it's bordering on treason for most Wakey and Cas fans but, given the parlous state of both clubs' finances, it might make sense. I appreciate there would be difficulties but, if both clubs were involved as willing, enthusiastic and equal partners and fans are on board, it could be financially advantageous. As I say, not an easy task but might be worth considering. Anyway, I was only asking if it had ever been considered. Can anyone who knows stuff like this fill us in?
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| Quote ="The Avenger"You don't have to reveal what was said, misinformed but from what source did the misinformation come from'"
I'm sorry but I don't think it appropriate to name names on this forum.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"I'm sorry but I don't think it appropriate to name names on this forum.'"
Sir Rodney by any chance.
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| Hard as the situation is, and as much as we appreciate the support and the willingness to do something, thee are people who are tasked with certain things that we have to give an agreed amount of time to undertake. We are now, as the thread implies, upping the ante, but we are doing so by viewing the results and the timescales offered to us.
As much as we try, I don't think it's appropriate to release any further details of the position as it stands, for fear of things being turned around and blamed on our lack of patience.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Being told that Michael Carter and the Club did not want to go to Newmarket but wanted to stay at Belle Vue which following a conversation with Michael I found not to be true. Michael made it clear to me and has done so on this Forum that he is equally happy to go to Newmarket or a redeveloped Belle Vue. There was other misinformation that I cannot reveal on a public forum but I believe it was intended to keep the Club and the Trust/SWAG apart.
We are now working together to try and get whatever is best for Wakefield Trinity and the citizens of Wakefield whether that be at Newmarket or Belle Vue. Personally I'd prefer Newmarket but I'd also be happy with a redeveloped Belle Vue.'"
Does that mean that prior to Yorkcourt's skulduggery being revealed, the club, the Trust and SWAG weren't working together? How did that happen?!
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"I'm sorry but I don't think it appropriate to name names on this forum.'"
Can't find it just tell us. ITS A FORUM DOES IT MATTER
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| Quote ="bren2k"Does that mean that prior to Yorkcourt's skulduggery being revealed, the club, the Trust and SWAG weren't working together? How did that happen?!'"
Though some SWAG members were on the trust board? It would be good if the trust had an official media outlet or official social media, ever since this project was announced we haven't heard much from them.
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| Quote ="M62 J30 TRINITY"Though some SWAG members were on the trust board? It would be good if the trust had an official media outlet or official social media, ever since this project was announced we haven't heard much from them.'"
You've heard from me, and there are others on the thread working on the case. Thee is nothing official to say, hence no updates, but there will be.
There is a SWAG website, but you won't find Sir Rodney setting one up anytime soon!
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| Quote ="bren2k"Does that mean that prior to Yorkcourt's skulduggery being revealed, the club, the Trust and SWAG weren't working together? How did that happen?!'"
Let's just leave it that we are working together at this point. It is quite healthy at this time!
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| The oppositon has just got the first shot in thanks to Sir Rodneys newspaper interview. I'd suggest its going to be time to come out all guns blazing pdq otherwise you may as well get that ditch ready as the chance will be gone.
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| Quote ="sixtogo"The oppositon has just got the first shot in thanks to Sir Rodneys newspaper interview. I'd suggest its going to be time to come out all guns blazing pdq otherwise you may as well get that ditch ready as the chance will be gone.'"
The opposition?
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"The opposition?'"
The ones who would rather now that NM didn't happen as they have the most to gain. Whilst in the mean time SRW gets seen as some kind of hero by trying to get at least something from the midst of a dire situation.
I'll say it again NM is dead and a deal will be struck to change the use of land at the stadium site. Absolute best case scenario is the trust may get the land at BV, but it will still need developing and they'll be nothing forthcoming cash wise for that.
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| Quote ="sixtogo"The ones who would rather now that NM didn't happen as they have the most to gain. Whilst in the mean time SRW gets seen as some kind of hero by trying to get at least something from the midst of a dire situation.
I'll say it again NM is dead and a deal will be struck to change the use of land at the stadium site. Absolute best case scenario is the trust may get the land at BV, but it will still need developing and they'll be nothing forthcoming cash wise for that.'"
How do you come to that conclusion? As I understand it SRW is looking to buy back Belle vue, that would then leave Yorkcourt to develop parts of Belle vue, am I reading this wrong?
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| Quote ="JINJER"How do you come to that conclusion? As I understand it SRW is looking to buy back Belle vue, that would then leave Yorkcourt to develop parts of Belle vue, am I reading this wrong?'"
So where exactly is the trust going to get the money from to buy Belle Vue AND surounding land from? Not the council given the cuts they are making to other services, that would be political suicide. If Yorkcourt had any intention or even ability to pay then we wouldn't be having this conversation now.
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| Quote ="sixtogo"So where exactly is the trust going to get the money from to buy Belle Vue AND surounding land from? Not the council given the cuts they are making to other services, that would be political suicide. If Yorkcourt had any intention or even ability to pay then we wouldn't be having this conversation now.'"
I didn't mention the trust, I said that I've seen an interview with SRW and he was looking to buy BV, I read it that he was looking to buy it himself.
Read back to some of the other posts, someone suggested that YC would have been getting mortgages to pay for Newmarket, they surely could do it for BV if that's the case?
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| Quote ="sixtogo"The ones who would rather now that NM didn't happen as they have the most to gain. Whilst in the mean time SRW gets seen as some kind of hero by trying to get at least something from the midst of a dire situation.
I'll say it again NM is dead and a deal will be struck to change the use of land at the stadium site. Absolute best case scenario is the trust may get the land at BV, but it will still need developing and they'll be nothing forthcoming cash wise for that.'"
I know where you are coming from, and that is what certain parties would prefer us to believe, but I don't agree at thesis stage. We need to keep NM alive, whether that is to bring that site into being or to better our opportunities at BV is to be decided, but the value we have in the deal is the intention to provide a stadium at NM in return for the granting of PP for the industrial units. One without the other is not a deal and was not what the inspector expected!
We fight on!
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| Quote ="JINJER"I didn't mention the trust, I said that I've seen an interview with SRW and he was looking to buy BV, I read it that he was looking to buy it himself.
Read back to some of the other posts, someone suggested that YC would have been getting mortgages to pay for Newmarket, they surely could do it for BV if that's the case?'"
Sir Rodney said: “At the moment the club has decided they would rather see the refurbishment of Belle Vue rather than wait for a new stadium at Newmarket. Everyone is focussed on trying to get possession of Belle Vue, which is presently in the hands of a bank following a previous administration.
“I have held meetings recently with the bank at director level. I’m hopeful of reaching an agreement with the bank which would give the trust the opportunity of acquiring the ground, which has to be done before we consider development.”
Seriously, the thought that Rodney Walker will part with his own brass to buy the ground is very amusing. probably about the same chance as there is in Peter Box doing the same.
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| Quote ="TRB"I know where you are coming from, and that is what certain parties would prefer us to believe, but I don't agree at thesis stage. We need to keep NM alive, whether that is to bring that site into being or to better our opportunities at BV is to be decided, but the value we have in the deal is the intention to provide a stadium at NM in return for the granting of PP for the industrial units. One without the other is not a deal and was not what the inspector expected!
We fight on!'"
And you do right to but my worry is it could get very expensive. You could push for a judicial review which might be the best chance of a successful outcome but that potentially is going to take a good chunk of money with absolutley no guarantees. YCP's legal team led by Andrew Piatt have already played a blinder once and Yorkcourt will not give in if they feel there is a better than even chance of winning. And there is a theoretical risk that the whole thing could be repealed which means eveybody loses out but nobody more so than the club. The more I think of it the more angry I get. Firstly though i'd get the dodgy dealings told to all and sundry if no progress is made very soon. Whether enough will give a damn I don't know but sympathy and bad press for the perpetrators could be your best friend here.
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| Quote ="sixtogo"And you do right to but my worry is it could get very expensive. You could push for a judicial review which might be the best chance of a successful outcome but that potentially is going to take a good chunk of money with absolutley no guarantees. YCP's legal team led by Andrew Piatt have already played a blinder once and Yorkcourt will not give in if they feel there is a better than even chance of winning. And there is a theoretical risk that the whole thing could be repealed which means eveybody loses out but nobody more so than the club. The more I think of it the more angry I get. Firstly though i'd get the dodgy dealings told to all and sundry if no progress is made very soon. Whether enough will give a damn I don't know but sympathy and bad press for the perpetrators could be your best friend here.'"
All quite correct!
There are things we can do which are less expensive, but they will require a co-ordinate approach and we are not quite there yet.
It doesn't have to be repealed to make it very hard to move forward for YC.
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| Quote ="sixtogo"Sir Rodney said: “At the moment the club has decided they would rather see the refurbishment of Belle Vue rather than wait for a new stadium at Newmarket. Everyone is focussed on trying to get possession of Belle Vue, which is presently in the hands of a bank following a previous administration.
“I have held meetings recently with the bank at director level. I’m hopeful of reaching an agreement with the bank which would give the trust the opportunity of acquiring the ground, which has to be done before we consider development.”
Seriously, the thought that Rodney Walker will part with his own brass to buy the ground is very amusing. probably about the same chance as there is in Peter Box doing the same.'"
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| Quote ="sixtogo"Sir Rodney said: “At the moment the club has decided they would rather see the refurbishment of Belle Vue rather than wait for a new stadium at Newmarket. Everyone is focussed on trying to get possession of Belle Vue, which is presently in the hands of a bank following a previous administration.
“I have held meetings recently with the bank at director level. I’m hopeful of reaching an agreement with the bank which would give the trust the opportunity of acquiring the ground, which has to be done before we consider development.”
Seriously, the thought that Rodney Walker will part with his own brass to buy the ground is very amusing. probably about the same chance as there is in Peter Box doing the same.'"
Whilst I think that is unlikely, I think the point is that it's not Sir Rodney who would fund this himself.
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| Who actually owns the land at Newmarket?
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| Where there is money, power, egos and identities there are often problems, deceit, alterations and unethical behaviour. Some people have no shame.
I haven't spoken to anyone regarding this particular situation. It's just a generic opinion
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