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| Quote ="dickie mint"I do not have a theory thanks, I am talking about when Ted was offered land on Denby Dale Road which he refused shall we say for personal reasons. I find it strange but not impossible that you and maybe TRB no nothing about it or choose for whatever reason to either deny or ignore it after the both of you gave Ted the big build up on his efforts to secure a new ground for us thanks.'"
What are these personal reasons you talk of ?
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| Quote ="vastman"Perhaps you'd like to explain your theory to the the fans as I have no idea what you're talking about - thanks.'"
the ground was offered to be built and turned down flat. something to do with industrial units round it
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| Quote ="dickie mint"I do not have a theory thanks, I am talking about when Ted was offered land on Denby Dale Road which he refused shall we say for personal reasons. I find it strange but not impossible that you and maybe TRB no nothing about it or choose for whatever reason to either deny or ignore it after the both of you gave Ted the big build up on his efforts to secure a new ground for us thanks.'"
Can't talk for TRB but I know nothing about it because I tend to deal in facts. Until somebody proves that this event ever took place I'll ignore it. The Denby Dale thing was never going to happen it was a flight of fancy IMO. YCCC were never going to leave Headingley and that land was never available purely for the use of a RL club - it was always a non starter as far as I know.
I also know that Councillor box denied WMDC ever owned the land in question, whether they did I don't know. If it wasn't Council land then what chance a private developer offering us the land at a price we could afford? It was always a far more valuable site than Newmarket.
IMHO Ted never turned it down because he was never offered it on sensible terms in the first place.
As far as I'm concerned just another unsubstanciated myth - why you feel the need or what it achieves heaven knows
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"the ground was offered to be built and turned down flat. something to do with industrial units round it'"
Prove it. Honest to god the level of pure fantasy on here would make Walt Disney blush.
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| the problem with your challenge to him vasty is that to some proof is about strength of feeling and to others it is about evidence. You are talking a different language to our friend who dished out the allegation.
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| Quote ="roader"It's about time the RFL started to support teams in the heartland of rugby league instead of bending over backwards to expand to places with little or no interest.'"
A fan I was talking to recently summed this up perfectly for me... 'Fantasy expansion'.
If you look up fantasy in the dictionary you'll more than likely get 'An unrealistic or improbable supposition'.
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| from memory, large tracts of land around Durkar were owned by the late William (Billy) Hale(Hales).
a bit of a character allegedy. Maybe his name will appear on land registry if some saddo feels the need to continue having a poke for no purposeful reason and wants to waste some time.
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| Quote ="vastman"Sometimes you have to separate emotion from fact.
Doesn't matter what you think of Ted or his motives Newmarket is his baby, I can tell you that as fact from my SWAG connection.
In the dark days after the Thornes collapse and Council betrayal (why are people not frothing at the mouth on that one which was a far bigger betrayal than anything Ted has managed) he got off his backside and literally rang up any developer with a piece of land, he struck lucky. At the time he was the only one with the nouse to do it, and without that no one would be the least bit interested in the club now. No one at SWAG will take credit for Newmarket, we were still licking our wounds when Ted pulled out that particular rabbit!
Today would be the first day in a 100+ years Trinity did not exist but for Newmarket IMHO.
This is not an attempt by me to reform Ted reputation on here, clearly he has made mistakes and has clearly suffered a down turn in his own fortunes but that doesn't seem to matter a jot.
However let's for once let fact get in the way of a good vendetta. Whether by design or accident Newmarket is all that stands between us and oblivion.
Quite ironic that the man many blame for steering us towards the abyss may end up saving us by default - what pain what will cause some one here'"
please explain what the council did wrong.
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"please explain what the council did wrong.'"
Eh?
They promised to build a stadium at Thornes Park and renaged on the deal.
Much of what has happened is related to this situation - as you well know.
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| Quote ="TRB"Eh?
They promised to build a stadium at Thornes Park and renaged on the deal.
Much of what has happened is related to this situation - as you well know.'"
and they have bailed the club out on various occasions and offered land at denbydale and a stadium and passed newmarket. if they couldnt afford thornes then what do you want them to do. we have been in sl long enough ted should of sorted it. also the council cop the flak cause box is a cas fan.
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"and they have bailed the club out on various occasions and offered land at denbydale and a stadium and passed newmarket. if they couldnt afford thornes then what do you want them to do. we have been in sl long enough ted should of sorted it. also the council cop the flak cause box is a cas
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Incredible offer considering they never owned the land (according to them), you really are a fantasist.
Please give dates and amounts for the so called bail outs, please.
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| The sad thing is Mopsey had you gone about your business in the correct manner people would think more of you, instead due to the way you have behaved recently has left people thinking that you are just a very sad and twisted individual who threw his Teddy out because you didn't get a job at the club.
So come on Mopsey, Ted has gone you have won your war what's the crack? Who are you and what happened regards this job to make you feel so twisted?
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| Quote ="inside man"The sad thing is Mopsey had you gone about your business in the correct manner people would think more of you, instead due to the way you have behaved recently has left people thinking that you are just a very sad and twisted individual who threw his Teddy out because you didn't get a job at the club.
So come on Mopsey, Ted has gone you have won your war what's the crack? Who are you and what happened regards this job to make you feel so twisted?'"
i dont give a toss what you think of me.
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| SO what your saying is your a bit sad then and don't have a case you are just spouting a lot of hot air then.
Glad you cleared that up oh hero of the people you are, luckily we have people like you rather than those spineless idiots who give up all their spare time to help otherwise where would be now.
All hale mopsey
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| Quote ="inside man"The sad thing is Mopsey had you gone about your business in the correct manner people would think more of you, instead due to the way you have behaved recently has left people thinking that you are just a very sad and twisted individual who threw his Teddy out because you didn't get a job at the club.
So come on Mopsey, Ted has gone you have won your war what's the crack? Who are you and what happened regards this job to make you feel so twisted?'"
Here Here
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| Quote ="inside man"SO what your saying is your a bit sad then and don't have a case you are just spouting a lot of hot air then.
Glad you cleared that up oh hero of the people you are, luckily we have people like you rather than those spineless idiots who give up all their spare time to help otherwise where would be now.
All hale mopsey'"
In fairness, the club needs both those who will toe it's line and those who will challenge it at every turn. The Trust needs this too.
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| Quote ="vastman"Can't talk for TRB but I know nothing about it because I tend to deal in facts. Until somebody proves that this event ever took place I'll ignore it. The Denby Dale thing was never going to happen it was a flight of fancy IMO. YCCC were never going to leave Headingley and that land was never available purely for the use of a RL club - it was always a non starter as far as I know.
I also know that Councillor box denied WMDC ever owned the land in question, whether they did I don't know. If it wasn't Council land then what chance a private developer offering us the land at a price we could afford? It was always a far more valuable site than Newmarket.
IMHO Ted never turned it down because he was never offered it on sensible terms in the first place.
As far as I'm concerned just another unsubstanciated myth - why you feel the need or what it achieves heaven knows'"
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Deal with this fact then, If the Denby Dale thing was never going to happen in this flight of fantasy of yours and Yorks CC were never going to leave Headingley, then why did Mr Caddick threaten to sue Yorks CC if they moved to Denby Dale Rd and why did Wakefield Council have plans drawn up. You are right though when you said the land was never going to be available purely for a rugby league club, as industrial units were going to be built on there as well, and considering that in an earlier post you denied any knowledge of it why was it always a non starter as far as you knew?
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As a matter of interest why would Cr Box deny Wakefield council owning this land and why would it have come to your attention if you knew nothing of any interest regarding DD Rd, Assuming that this land did belong to a private developer as you say rather than Wakefield council why would the land be more expensive, surely the council would have a duty to the ratepayers to sell this land at a premium.
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So what you are implying then is that Ted was offered the land for the club in the first place but turned it down because the terms were outlandish.
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| I don't think that the above are the words of MLO
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| Quote ="PHe"I don't think that the above are the words of MLO
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| Quote ="PHe"I don't think that the above are the words of MLO
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there is only one mopsey the original and best.
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| Outlandish indeed
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| Quote ="PHe"Outlandish indeed
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give me some credit, thats took me a full day to write. now i await vastman.
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"give me some credit, thats took me a full day to write. now i await vastman.'"
You even remembered capital letters in that post as well didn't you?
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| Mopsey has a ghost writer
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