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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Not good at all. We need a takeover of this club . Once again there is no reason for us to be in trouble unless someone is taking rather than giving. OR they are terrible with maths. Bad news with the new ground assesment coming up . Typical Wakey cock up !'"
Projected attendances down by 1500? Image rights coming back to bite all clubs who’ve utilised this loophole on the back side?
By the sounds of it the club are not alone on this issue and it does appear a lot of people making comments have an axe to grind with the current incumbents of the board.
As for a takeover, there doesn’t exactly seem to be a queue of suitors that are willing to throw their money down the financial drain.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Not good at all. We need a takeover of this club . Once again there is no reason for us to be in trouble unless someone is taking rather than giving. OR they are terrible with maths. Bad news with the new ground assesment coming up . Typical Wakey cock up !'"
buy a euromillions on friday as thats the only way someone is gonna buy us
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| Quote ="St. Chunter"buy a euromillions on friday as thats the only way someone is gonna buy us'"
Don't forget NGB4C is a very wealthy man/woman/boy/whatever.
It earns over £40K per annum and moans all the time about the clubs lack of finances.
Personally I'm still waiting for to see any action behind the words that get posted.
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| Quote ="mwildcats"The figures I seem to remember are £2.3 mill now i dont know if thats the total amount for the ground or what we have been paid so far, or what we are due in the future.
Where has this money gone have we seen it all. ?
Id like rebelrebels question answered. TRB
This is your field.'"
We have agreed the sale of Belle Vue and were given a part payment as a deposit. This was used to clear off all our financial liabilities and the full facts were published in the accounts.
The balance for the ground will then be paid when we leave Belle Vue.
Hope this helps.
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| Quote ="Fordy"Don't forget NGB4C is a very wealthy man/woman/boy/whatever.
It earns over £40K per annum and moans all the time about the clubs lack of finances.
Personally I'm still waiting for to see any action behind the words that get posted.'"
Well if thats the case all he has to do is to buy shares to the total of 5% of the clubs share capital and he can then gain a seat on the board by right. Lets see what action he takes.
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Mountain and Molehill media scare mongering.
All you have to do is look at the London High Court Chaucery website and you will see that companies larger than WTWRLFC could ever be are being brought to court by HMRC
www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/ ... ancery.htm
Just look at the first listing.
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Mountain and Molehill media scare mongering.
All you have to do is look at the London High Court Chaucery website and you will see that companies larger than WTWRLFC could ever be are being brought to court by HMRC
www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/ ... ancery.htm
Just look at the first listing.
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| Just imagine, how further we would be up the creek if we had to pay tax on the actual rather than recorded attendances.
This whole thing stinks!! I know there are a lot of people on here who are very friendly with ted and his cohorts, and I mean no offence to you well meaning people, but the whole thing is embarrasing.
Ted you have been good for trinity, in our hour of need you were there, but it's time to step aside, there is money out there, and it is being stopped from coming in because of the current regime.
And before I get jumped on by those in the inner circle, I get mine from
the same place as you.
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| Quote ="kinleycat"Ted you have been good for trinity, in our hour of need you were there, but it's time to step aside, there is money out there, and it is being stopped from coming in because of the current regime.
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Can you tell us who that is, if not I would be happy with a PM.
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Quote ="trinfan71"Mountain and Molehill media scare mongering.
All you have to do is look at the London High Court Chaucery website and you will see that companies larger than WTWRLFC could ever be are being brought to court by HMRC
www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/ ... ancery.htm
Just look at the first listing.'"
nice link!!!
Has any of these other 4/5 SL clubs appeared on it, and if so are they gonna be innit further than us.
It gets a mention that we're not innit on our own but is there any proof or are we just talking it up?
Innit!!!!!
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Quote ="trinfan71"Mountain and Molehill media scare mongering.
All you have to do is look at the London High Court Chaucery website and you will see that companies larger than WTWRLFC could ever be are being brought to court by HMRC
www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/ ... ancery.htm
Just look at the first listing.'"
nice link!!!
Has any of these other 4/5 SL clubs appeared on it, and if so are they gonna be innit further than us.
It gets a mention that we're not innit on our own but is there any proof or are we just talking it up?
Innit!!!!!
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Quote ="trinfan71"Mountain and Molehill media scare mongering.
All you have to do is look at the London High Court Chaucery website and you will see that companies larger than WTWRLFC could ever be are being brought to court by HMRC
www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/ ... ancery.htm
Just look at the first listing.'"
This link is not the winding up list, it is the company dispute list. Vision Express are taking HMCR to court not vice versa. This one last sat on 4th November and the full list of cases heard is here.
www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/ ... inding.htm
On that list is another rugby club - Oldham
PS I have interest in this as my former employer is also on that list.
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Quote ="trinfan71"Mountain and Molehill media scare mongering.
All you have to do is look at the London High Court Chaucery website and you will see that companies larger than WTWRLFC could ever be are being brought to court by HMRC
www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/ ... ancery.htm
Just look at the first listing.'"
This link is not the winding up list, it is the company dispute list. Vision Express are taking HMCR to court not vice versa. This one last sat on 4th November and the full list of cases heard is here.
www.hmcourts-service.gov.uk/cms/ ... inding.htm
On that list is another rugby club - Oldham
PS I have interest in this as my former employer is also on that list.
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| and how many times was i shot down by the in the know brigade about wakey in trouble financially!!!!
good luck!!
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| Quote ="kinleycat"nice link!!!
Has any of these other 4/5 SL clubs appeared on it, and if so are they gonna be innit further than us.
It gets a mention that we're not innit on our own but is there any proof or are we just talking it up?
Innit!!!!!'"
A number of other clubs will definitely have larger liabilities than Wakefield. However, if those clubs can settle the outstanding bill with HMRC you'll never be any wiser. Don't forget some of the owners behind the larger clubs have much bigger pockets and can more easily absorb a hit like this. It's only because Wakefield can't pay that it's reached court and therefore the media.
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| Wakefield fans <> the real world...
...will they ever meet. I doubt it reading the claptrap written on here by some.
WTRLFC is a business or that's what everyone claims they want it to be (when it suits).
We are in a massive recession with lines of credit a hard thing to find. We entered this recession in a weaker position than most and are now scrambling for survival as are many clubs. To do this we need to use every trick in the book. Thus delaying payments to the IR is an obvious one as it keeps the cash flow going.
It's like when you run up your credit and turn them into a loan. It may cost you a little more but it makes things manageable until things pick up. It's not ideal but it's how the real world works especially right now!!. The fact that it makes cheap headlines is neither here nor there.
I suggest a few people come down from their ivory towers on this one and face up to the reality of being a Trin fan - something most of us did years ago. As stated many times before, nothing will change and we will always struggle until we get a new ground - that in case some have not noticed is what all the fuss has been about since SWAG began.
Move on
PS: Idea Mopsey, it's fans like you and the never ending bitter, negative, badmouthing that you and others continually peddle that puts folk off as much as anything else IMHO. Think about it.
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| Quote ="WRE"and how many times was i shot down by the in the know brigade about wakey in trouble financially!!!!
good luck!!'"
I really wouldn't throw stones if I were you, your greenhouse is even leakier from what I hear.
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| Quote ="vastman"I really wouldn't throw stones if I were you, your greenhouse is even leakier from what I hear.'"
And so it begins...again
Ignore people who are trolling and they will go away.
And you shouldnt believe everything you hear.
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| Quote ="vastman" To do this we need to use every trick in the book. Thus delaying payments to the IR is an obvious one as it keeps the cash flow going.'"
I think you'll find this isn't what's happened. The money owing is not connected to normal payments to HMRC, it's over and above this. It's tax and NICs due on money that's been "illegally" paid tax free.
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| Quote ="Boom"I think you'll find this isn't what's happened. The money owing is not connected to normal payments to HMRC, it's over and above this. It's tax and NICs due on money that's been "illegally" paid tax free.'"
is this a fact, how do you know if it is, if it us does it relate to the previously mentioned naming rites etc. If so who's bright idea was it??
I appreciate we may not be on our own, but I arent bothered about anyone elses cock ups!!!!
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| Quote ="kinleycat"is this a fact, how do you know if it is, if it us does it relate to the previously mentioned naming rites etc. If so who's bright idea was it??
I appreciate we may not be on our own, but I arent bothered about anyone elses cock ups!!!!'"
No idea whether Boom is right, but that could only be on image rights paid to offshore accounts for the overseas players to collect on their way home. If so many clubs will have fallen foul of this, it’s just the perhaps the majority have the capital to pay it off before court actions are taken against them.
I'm pretty sure if the club didn’t use this loophole that many of their rivals will have been exploiting then they would also have been criticised by some on here for lack of initiative.
If all payments are met in 12 weeks then all this will have been a lot of fuss over nothing. Hopefully the club can fulfil their obligations.
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| Jk defiant [urlhttp://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/wakefield-trinity/Kear-defiant-in-face-of.5801695.jp[/url
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| Quote ="vastman"Wakefield fans <> the real world...I suggest a few people come down from their ivory towers on this one and face up to the reality of being a Trin fan - something most of us did years ago. As stated many times before, nothing will change and we will always struggle until we get a new ground - that in case some have not noticed is what all the fuss has been about since SWAG began.
Move on
PS: Idea Mopsey, it's fans like you and the never ending bitter, negative, badmouthing that you and others continually peddle that puts folk off as much as anything else IMHO. Think about it.'"
He means well, he really does
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| Quote ="mopseyslovechild"He means well,
he really does'"
There's no need to hide your real identity just for this!
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| Quote ="Wakefield No 1"Jk defiant [urlhttp://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/wakefield-trinity/Kear-defiant-in-face-of.5801695.jp[/url'"
doesn't mention millard there hope it's still on
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| Quote ="Sheldon"isn't due to the fact that if you want to keep competitive you have to spend and then hope the crowds and sponsorship follow?
the worst thing the rfl did was scrap the 50% of your income could go on players salarys.'"
The worst thing that ever happened was full time clubs RL can not sustain full time professional clubs bar maybe Leeds and Wigan
the rest of us all lose money season in season out most have a sugar daddy we don’t time for the game to get real
even if a club turns over 4 million then spend 1.7 million on the players salary cap they then have ground maintenance police stewarding staff costs tax ETC ETC it dose not add up the attendances in RL can not support full time contracts.
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| Quote ="GET EM ON SIDE REF"The worst thing that ever happened was full time clubs RL can not sustain full time professional clubs bar maybe Leeds and Wigan
the rest of us all lose money season in season out most have a sugar daddy we don’t time for the game to get real
even if a club turns over 4 million then spend 1.7 million on the players salary cap they then have ground maintenance police stewarding staff costs tax ETC ETC it dose not add up the attendances in RL can not support full time contracts.'"
Hull have been profitable for the last 3 seasons, without the aid of a major investor. It can be done, although expectations of performances on the field may need to be trimmed back.
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| Quote ="Kosh"Hull have been profitable for the last 3 seasons, without the aid of a major investor. It can be done, although expectations of performances on the field may need to be trimmed back.'" hull have a bigger supporter base which helps, we are desperate for a new ground and we know it,
if we can ride this out and get Stanley up and moving I will feel better
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