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| As you've brought Yorkshire cricket into it snowie that's when they used to win things, if as you say phe your not local, that's WHY you don't get it
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| Quote ="try scorer"As you've brought Yorkshire cricket into it snowie that's when they used to win things, if as you say phe your not local, that's WHY you don't get it'" didn't Yorkshire then take a dip on form and has only started to win things when they opened up the doors to all and alien
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| Another day gone, another day he's still here. What a farce.
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| Am I right in saying Agar is out of a jobif we're relegated? ?
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| Quote ="The Dreadnought"Am I right in saying Agar is out of a jobif we're relegated? ?'"
I thought that Agar was "committed" for 3 years, regardless of which division we were in.
IIRC, MC said something along these lines at the meeting 5 months ago ?
The only plus point with our current situation is that, at the first meeting ALL of u would have been happy with 11th place after 7 rounds, indeed most of us will still be happy with 11th spot after 27 rounds.
It's just the dross that we have had over he past fortnight that has caused many fans to worry about our plight and the ability of the Coach to make any improvements.
Can he really make the players believe that they are good enough
IF he can instil belief, we will be ok but, too many fans think that RA cant.
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| I didn't know Yorkshire had started to win things snowie
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| Quote ="try scorer"As you've brought Yorkshire cricket into it snowie that's when they used to win things, if as you say phe your not local, that's WHY you don't get it'"
I'm not bothered where the players are from, if players from outside your 'local' area are better players then I'd have the non local players in the team, but I can see some advantages of having some home grown players in the team, but only on merit.
Where is this 'local' area?
Is our club captain 'local'? I bet he was born nearer to BV than many who you class as local.
Do you have to be born within the sound of the cathedral bells, or perhaps St Caths would be more apt!
I understand that you are from Normy 'try scorer', if so then I bet I only live a couple of miles further from the ground than you. Is Fev your nearest rl ground?
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| Quote ="PHe"I'm not bothered where the players are from, if players from outside your 'local' area are better players then I'd have the non local players in the team, but I can see some advantages of having some home grown players in the team, but only on merit.
Where is this 'local' area?
Is our club captain 'local'? I bet he was born nearer to BV than many who you class as local.
Do you have to be born within the sound of the cathedral bells, or perhaps St Caths would be more apt!
I understand that you are from Normy 'try scorer', if so then I bet I only live a couple of miles further from the ground than you. Is Fev your nearest rl ground?'" Kirmo is a Sharlston lad who went to Crofton school, not sure where he was born but supported Fev as a lad,
when I used to go to Crofton school the same trait happened at school then as now there is a divided split between Wakey and Fev, mainly Crofton and Walton was Wakey, Sharlston and Streethouse was Fev.
Now this week I learned of a mate who was born and breed in Walton who I grew up with is now a Cas fan so where do boundaries lies.
last year Kirmo was the die hard of the red white and blue and worth a call into the nation squad
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| Quote ="Wollo-Wollo-Wollo-Wayoo"Hudson was going nowhere at Huddersfield Giants when Wakefield rescued him. Once established as a Super League player he chose to move on (or up as he stated at the time) to Cas. The move was an open secret done deal for about half the time of his last season at Wakefield.
Wakefield was just a temporary vehicle at the time just like it would be now if a coaching opportunity came up at Cas.'"
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| Quote ="musson"100% agree with this'"
Could the same not be said of 99% of people involved in sport?
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| Quote ="steadygetyerboots-on"Could the same not be said of 99% of people involved in sport?'"
There's a difference between
1. Being in a job you really want but moving on/up when a better opportunity arrives.
2.Using somewhere, from day one, as a temporary placement that your heart isn't really in.
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| Just to add a little balance to the clamour for Agars head.
Although there is far more pressure on all SL coach's this season, Agar has been just about ok in his first 2 seasons with us, over performing in his first season (with the aid of the 7 match win streak) and slightly under performing last season.
We started with a scratch squad and up until the KR game, most would say we were doing OK.
For me, our season will hang on the Cas game on Monday.
Leeds on Friday is a write off and we are likely to get another 50 points put on us but, Cas on Monday is a different proposition.
Cas at the moment are punching well above their weight but, they are not in the same class as Leeds (or Saints) and this game should now be targeted at the expense of Friday and a win could start to turn our fortunes.
Of course we have Agars selection decisions to contend with but, lets see what happens.
If we get pumped in both games, then MC may have to think seriously about a change.
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| Quote ="snowie"I can understand your frustrations but just because coaches aren't from Wakefield that doesn't make them any less passionate than if the did, are we going to go down the road the Yorkshire cricket did in the past and only had players and coaches from that area.
I agree the club has lost a lot of passion and grunt and we do need some motivational players standing up'"
BUT...most of all we need a coach who can motivate. Agar looks and sounds as inspiring as a tired cardigan. The players don't look motivated but he looks so uninspiring and sounds it, I am not surprised. Every prouncement he makes is tedious and shows very little passion or deeper insight into what is going wrong. Cliches and blame for the players. Poor effort. I don't think the majority of supporters will accept him being coach much longer so Mr Carter, I hope you have a plan!
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| Quote ="deeHell"Try 3 under performing years at Hull on top of that! A familiar pattern follows his coaching career....the occasional impressive display heavily sandwiched between horrendous performances. We were mostly willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. Hoping that maybe there were issues beyond his control at Hull. When you look at his CV it's beyond belief that he can have such a long career in top flight rugby. With this new 3 year deal he would have earn't himself 8 years worth of coaching contracts in Super League. He must be a smooth talker to get them contracts, I guess he was a snake oil salesman in a previous life.'"
Job for the boys I suspect. There seems to be a merrigoround of players and coaches and administrators. I suspect that thy all pat each other's backs and look after each other, with the RFL at the top of the boy's club, with a nod here and a wink there. The Sky Commentators love to big players and coaches up when its unjustified too. No doubt Agar is a great coach in the panel's yes, though, as you say, his record is appalling. It is no longer a case of can we afford to sack him. It is a case of can we afford not to. Attendances will plummett more, games will be lost and we will go down if he stays, I have no doubt at all about that and the record of his time at Belle Vue clearly supports that view.
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| Quote ="snowie"I'm never ashamed of my club, embarrassed yes'"
YesYes perhaps that is the wrong word. It's the players and Agar who should be ashamed at th moment
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| Another experimental team selection. Another 40+ conceded. Crowd now chanting 'Agar out'.
That contract extension is looking more and more ridiculous with each defeat.
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| Just setting off to watch Morrison V Kear, have i to have a word.
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| Please Al, I'd taken either of them over Agar
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| Quote ="King Street Cat"Another experimental team selection. Another 40+ conceded. Crowd now chanting 'Agar out'.
That contract extension is looking more and more ridiculous with each defeat.'"
Were they? When? I didn't hear it. I would have screamed it too
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| Never wanted him, never been impressed by him, never been inspired by him.
Convince me otherwise in one reply. Go!
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| Quote ="charlie63wildcat"Were they? When? I didn't hear it. I would have screamed it too'"
North stand. Every time Cas scored in the second half.
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| As you are obviously struggling at the moment I thought it was time I gave you some basic advice on team selection and game management.
1.Select players in the positions they are most used to playing in eg Don' t play a full back on the wing they will not like it and will sulk for the full 80 minutes eg Mathers.
2.Select players who are in form and not because their name is Washbrook eg Danny Washbrook.
3.Select players who want to play for Wakefield and not just because they
a. Have an Australian accent eg Seijka
b.Are not wanted by anyone else eg Lyne
c.Have come to us because they thought their previous club was going to fold eg Scruton
3.Don't pick injured players even if they had a fantastic season last year and are the club captain eg Kirmond.
4.When you bring on a sub and they make a positive impact and get us back in to a game we were losing easily don't take them off again when they are still playing well eg Godinet Moore and Anakin
5.Don't demoralise our own products by never giving them a chance to establish themselves in the first team eg Wildie Walshaw etc etc etc
Could anyone possibly argue with this ?
The current squad is probaby not good enough to get in to the top eight but they do have a chance of avoiding relegation if they are not messed about and shoe commitment especially in one to one tackles.
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| Quote ="Poynton"As you are obviously struggling at the moment I thought it was time I gave you some basic advice on team selection and game management.
1.Select players in the positions they are most used to playing in eg Don' t play a full back on the wing they will not like it and will sulk for the full 80 minutes eg Mathers.
2.Select players who are in form and not because their name is Washbrook eg Danny Washbrook.
3.Select players who want to play for Wakefield and not just because they
a. Have an Australian accent eg Seijka
b.Are not wanted by anyone else eg Lyne
c.Have come to us because they thought their previous club was going to fold eg Scruton
3.Don't pick injured players even if they had a fantastic season last year and are the club captain eg Kirmond.
4.When you bring on a sub and they make a positive impact and get us back in to a game we were losing easily don't take them off again when they are still playing well eg Godinet Moore and Anakin
5.Don't demoralise our own products by never giving them a chance to establish themselves in the first team eg Wildie Walshaw etc etc etc
Could anyone possibly argue with this ?
The current squad is probaby not good enough to get in to the top eight but they do have a chance of avoiding relegation if they are not messed about and shoe commitment especially in one to one tackles.'" can't knock this advice
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| Quote ="Poynton"As you are obviously struggling at the moment I thought it was time I gave you some basic advice on team selection and game management.
1.Select players in the positions they are most used to playing in eg Don' t play a full back on the wing they will not like it and will sulk for the full 80 minutes eg Mathers.
2.Select players who are in form and not because their name is Washbrook eg Danny Washbrook.
3.Select players who want to play for Wakefield and not just because they
a. Have an Australian accent eg Seijka
b.Are not wanted by anyone else eg Lyne
c.Have come to us because they thought their previous club was going to fold eg Scruton
3.Don't pick injured players even if they had a fantastic season last year and are the club captain eg Kirmond.
4.When you bring on a sub and they make a positive impact and get us back in to a game we were losing easily don't take them off again when they are still playing well eg Godinet Moore and Anakin
5.Don't demoralise our own products by never giving them a chance to establish themselves in the first team eg Wildie Walshaw etc etc etc
Could anyone possibly argue with this ?
The current squad is probaby not good enough to get in to the top eight but they do have a chance of avoiding relegation if they are not messed about and shoe commitment especially in one to one tackles.'"
You are not Richard Agar so I can't claim a fiver!
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