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| JM explained this.
It isn't divided into 3. We get the Wakefield part and they get the area identified as Cas and Fev. So we have the major share.
We should have full points in this.
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From the document
https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/do ... %20Version).pdf
it looks fairly clear?
• Catchment Area is defined as the population of the Local
Authority District where the club’s stadium is located
divided by the total number of Tier 1 and Tier 2 clubs
in the same area.
• The population data is based on the latest census (2021)
and ONS Boundaries for Local Authority Districts.
METHODOLOGY
Catchment Data:
1. Find club stadium postcode and what Local
Authority Area it is in
2. Download this file from the ONS website
Population and household estimates, England and
Wales: Census 2021 - Office for National Statistics
(ons.gov.uk)
3. Find Local Authority Population
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From the document
https://www.rugby-league.com/uploads/do ... %20Version).pdf
it looks fairly clear?
• Catchment Area is defined as the population of the Local
Authority District where the club’s stadium is located
divided by the total number of Tier 1 and Tier 2 clubs
in the same area.
• The population data is based on the latest census (2021)
and ONS Boundaries for Local Authority Districts.
METHODOLOGY
Catchment Data:
1. Find club stadium postcode and what Local
Authority Area it is in
2. Download this file from the ONS website
Population and household estimates, England and
Wales: Census 2021 - Office for National Statistics
(ons.gov.uk)
3. Find Local Authority Population
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| Quote ="PopTart"JM explained this.
It isn't divided into 3. We get the Wakefield part and they get the area identified as Cas and Fev. So we have the major share.
We should have full points in this.'"
Hmm. Are you saying that what he said is right, and what was published yesterday in the Final version of Gradings Document yesterday on the RFL's official website is wrong?
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| Quote ="The Phantom Horseman"Hmm. Are you saying that what he said is right, and what was published yesterday in the Final version of Gradings Document yesterday on the RFL's official website is wrong?'"
I'm not saying that. JM updated on the back of his meeting with IMG so I've no reason to disbelieve him.
However, I'm not sure which bit you refer to so please hold the line caller while I check.
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| That link doesn't work and I can't find anything on the site that's new.
So I remain to be convinced.
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| Quote ="PopTart"That link doesn't work and I can't find anything on the site that's new.
So I remain to be convinced.'"
captaincaveman cut and pasted the relevant section above.
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| Quote ="The Phantom Horseman"captaincaveman cut and pasted the relevant section above.'"
He does. But your statement that it is on the RFL website, seems to no longer be true. Which casts doubt.
I don't know either way, but as I said in my original post, JM told us it was being worked out in a different way, based on his meeting with IMG.
So to answer your question, I do believe him, but time has moved on since then and IMG may have changed the details.
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| Using a LA boundary is a lazy inaccurate way of recording catchment area. I presume Batley and Dewsbury are split with Huddersfield even though they’re closer to Wakefield than Fev and cas are. Would be different if part of the same City or Town but we are all separate towns and Cities so what’s the point of having it as a criteria. Anyway if that’s how it’s going to be scored then it is what it is. It’s up to us to keep improving and get our IMG score as high as possible. Hopefully takeover will help us improve.
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| Quote ="PopTart"He does. But your statement that it is on the RFL website, seems to no longer be true. Which casts doubt.
I don't know either way, but as I said in my original post, JM told us it was being worked out in a different way, based on his meeting with IMG.
So to answer your question, I do believe him, but time has moved on since then and IMG may have changed the details.'"
No, it's still there. There seems to be an issue that when you try to cut and paste the link, it changes the URL but if you google "rugbyleague.com uploads" it will come up as one of the first links.
In any case, as mentioned earlier, captaincaveman has cut and pasted the relevant parts. It's fairly well documented that some chairmen and CEOs didn't understand a lot of the implications of grading when the inital document was released and that's partly why I highlighted this specific point - it's of much bigger implication than many will grasp from such a long document.
To put it into context - if the 3-year on-field performance grading of Wakefield, Fev or Cas ended up being nine positions higher than that of Bradford (eg finishing 11th compared to 20th for Bradford), and all other gradings were equal (just for the sake of this argument), Bradford's score of 1.5 for catchment area compared to 0.5 for the three WF teams would see them ranked higher overall.
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| Quote ="The Phantom Horseman"No, it's still there. There seems to be an issue that when you try to cut and paste the link, it changes the URL but if you google "rugbyleague.com uploads" it will come up as one of the first links.
In any case, as mentioned earlier, captaincaveman has cut and pasted the relevant parts. It's fairly well documented that some chairmen and CEOs didn't understand a lot of the implications of grading when the inital document was released and that's partly why I highlighted this specific point - it's of much bigger implication than many will grasp from such a long document.
To put it into context - if the 3-year on-field performance grading of Wakefield, Fev or Cas ended up being nine positions higher than that of Bradford (eg finishing 11th compared to 20th for Bradford), and all other gradings were equal (just for the sake of this argument), Bradford's score of 1.5 for catchment area compared to 0.5 for the three WF teams would see them ranked higher overall.'"
It is what it is, it’s up to us to achieve all criteria best we can, I’m confident of us achieving a decent IMG score for top 12.
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| If that is in fact how they quantify it, then it is flawed.
Even if Wakefield and Cas weren't there Fev would not command a third of the area.
Plus, if we are saying the reach is challenged by another club, why not continue the reach where there is no club? Why can't we say we have a reach into Barnsley?
I don't think this is the end of the story. I think savvy chairmen will aim to get more points out of that.
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| PT, never seen you so riled. Did you not previously realise that IMG is a group of shyster mercenaries? Of course the metrics are flawed but not for achieving the primary goals of the remit.
Back in the day, the big clubs introduced franchising (of course very unpopular and ultimately doomed). This time round they've employed supposed pros to do it . The top clubs benefit but they divert the blame elsewhere.
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| Quote ="Bent&Bongser"PT, never seen you so riled. Did you not previously realise that IMG is a group of shyster mercenaries? Of course the metrics are flawed but not for achieving the primary goals of the remit.
Back in the day, the big clubs introduced franchising (of course very unpopular and ultimately doomed). This time round
they've employed supposed pros to do it . The top clubs benefit but they divert the blame elsewhere.
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Lol. I'm not riled. Just disappointed we missed out on points I thought we were getting.
I'm OK with franchising. As long as the criteria is achievable and fair.
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New Wakefield Trinity YouTube channel;
https://m.youtube.com/@WakefieldTrinityRLFC
Now more then ever supporters need to subscribe and watch the video's. The club need to make engaging content to keep interest up. Rightly or wrongly this kind of stuff will now have a say on who makes up the top flight.
Just watched the Inside Trintiy video. Good start, hopefully it will grow in quality and entertainment.
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New Wakefield Trinity YouTube channel;
https://m.youtube.com/@WakefieldTrinityRLFC
Now more then ever supporters need to subscribe and watch the video's. The club need to make engaging content to keep interest up. Rightly or wrongly this kind of stuff will now have a say on who makes up the top flight.
Just watched the Inside Trintiy video. Good start, hopefully it will grow in quality and entertainment.
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Quote ="Khlav Kalash"New Wakefield Trinity YouTube channel;
https://m.youtube.com/@WakefieldTrinityRLFC
Now more then ever supporters need to subscribe and watch the video's. The club need to make engaging content to keep interest up. Rightly or wrongly this kind of stuff will now have a say on who makes up the top flight.
Just watched the Inside Trintiy video. Good start, hopefully it will grow in quality and entertainment.'"
Subscribed
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Quote ="Khlav Kalash"New Wakefield Trinity YouTube channel;
https://m.youtube.com/@WakefieldTrinityRLFC
Now more then ever supporters need to subscribe and watch the video's. The club need to make engaging content to keep interest up. Rightly or wrongly this kind of stuff will now have a say on who makes up the top flight.
Just watched the Inside Trintiy video. Good start, hopefully it will grow in quality and entertainment.'"
Subscribed
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| Some more information and a couple of tweets, could it really be possible for a 14 team SL happening?
Breaking News from the RFL.
RL Commercial will enter a 30-day exclusive negotiating period with Sky Sports to formalise the broadcast rights agreement.
It would appear the RFL have managed to increase the offer made from Sky from £17M to £20M+ a decrease on the current deal.
22nd August - for immediate release
Update on Broadcast Rights
Following a meeting of RL Commercial, IMG and Super League (Europe) Shareholders, RL Commercial will now enter a 30-day exclusive negotiating period with Sky Sports to formalise and
contract the broadcast rights agreement. This follows a period of activity in the market that saw multiple bids tabled for the rights, with all
stakeholders convinced Sky Sports are offering the best deal for the Super League competition. It would see the partnership with Sky Sports extend for a further three years, until the end of the 2026 season - which would include the 30th anniversary of the launch of Super League's
partnership with Sky Sports for the inaugural season in 1996. Under the proposed deal, the partnership would include the live broadcast of every Super League fixture, to the UK and worldwide - a transformative development for the competition. This would
also allow for video match officials to be appointed for every match.
There would also be the continuation of a free-to-air window.
Further details will be shared on the conclusion of the negotiating period.
Ends...
What is interesting from the meeting with clubs today is that the competition structure will change as the sport of Rugby League works around what the broadcasters want, not what the self serving Super League clubs want. It’s taken a further reduction to hammer home this message.
The top tier to expand to 14 clubs is what I’m hearing which would finally remove the awful loop fixtures. That gives Championship clubs like Bradford, Featherstone, Newcastle and York hope that they accumulate enough IMG points to make the 13th and 14th positions.
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| I doubt it but if they did I would imagine it would be after next season.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Indeed, they want who they want and have set the criteria accordingly. The catchment in relation to adjacent clubs is tailor made for expansion teams.'"
I've said all along they can set criteria to get who they want in SL
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| If Sky are broadcasting all SL games I doubt they would want to increase this to seven due to cost involved unless they believed the pay per view would make it viable.
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| Sky aren't broadcasting them all.
It'll be C4 and Our League as well.
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| Quote ="Dunkirk Spirit"Some more information and a couple of tweets, could it really be possible for a 14 team SL happening?
Breaking News from the RFL.
RL Commercial will enter a 30-day exclusive negotiating period with Sky Sports to formalise the broadcast rights agreement.
It would appear the RFL have managed to increase the offer made from Sky from £17M to £20M+ a decrease on the current deal.
22nd August - for immediate release
Update on Broadcast Rights
Following a meeting of RL Commercial, IMG and Super League (Europe) Shareholders, RL Commercial will now enter a 30-day exclusive negotiating period with Sky Sports to formalise and
contract the broadcast rights agreement. This follows a period of activity in the market that saw multiple bids tabled for the rights, with all
stakeholders convinced Sky Sports are offering the best deal for the Super League competition. It would see the partnership with Sky Sports extend for a further three years, until the end of the 2026 season - which would include the 30th anniversary of the launch of Super League's
partnership with Sky Sports for the inaugural season in 1996. Under the proposed deal, the partnership would include the live broadcast of every Super League fixture, to the UK and worldwide - a transformative development for the competition. This would
also allow for video match officials to be appointed for every match.
There would also be the continuation of a free-to-air window.
Further details will be shared on the conclusion of the negotiating period.
Ends...
What is interesting from the meeting with clubs today is that the competition structure will change as the sport of Rugby League works around what the broadcasters want, not what the self serving Super League clubs want. It’s taken a further reduction to hammer home this message.
The top tier to expand to 14 clubs is what I’m hearing which would finally remove the awful loop fixtures. That gives Championship clubs like Bradford, Featherstone, Newcastle and York hope that they accumulate enough IMG points to make the 13th and 14th positions.'"
Various people have been saying don’t worry no relegation and 2 up, it’s apparently an open secret in the RL world. Don’t believe them to be honest but of the above is correct it does make you think.
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| Quote ="Wakefield City"Various people have been saying don’t worry no relegation and 2 up, it’s apparently an open secret in the RL world. Don’t believe them to be honest but of the above is correct it does make you think.
Up the Trin'"
It's an open secret among people who have no idea what they are talking about and also think the world is flat.
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