I have been in business for 33 years. In that time have had highs and lows. The biggest low was when several major clients went into liquidation within a few weeks of each other. My options were either go bust, let all my suppliers whistle, and take a pre pack, alternatively I could fight for survival and being quite stubborn, I chose the latter.
I contacted every supplier and ring fenced my debts agreeing terms to settle over a period of time but at the same time, agreeing to continue trading with the same people. Only two objected, I paid them off and have never dealt with them since. I also, had to make redundancies and reduce hours where possible and take a hit myself. It is not pleasant and is very stressful. The staff that left found other jobs and I gave them good references. You also have to look at every single operation cost, no matter how small, and look at other suppliers or re-negotiate if possible and get better deals.
All my suppliers respected my openness and action and still work with me 13 years later. These are similar business actions being taken by the BOD. If you cannot be patient, it's tough.
I think they are looking at the long game and have to make new structures and prioritise activity on a daily basis to gain momentum on recovery.
You know that we will have a team on the park next year and that new names will start to appear over the next month. By posting so much negativity, e.g. you bought a packet of crisps in the Cats bar and they were a week out of date, we are making the club look much worse than it hopefully is. At the end of the day, we have had worse, i.e. we have been in administration.
Some of you think you are in the know because you heard something in a bar, 99% of the time it will be crap.
Be patient, nothing you say or do with speculation will change thing if it is negativity.

Fighting talk from Feline and a realistic take on things by Manuel make me feel better anyhow.

Thanks Manuel - a reasoned post from someone with first hand experience of steering a business through troubled times.



I don't want get in to the "true supporter" argument but part of my definition of a supporter would be someone who is a critical friend ie. offers a balanced view of what's going well and what's not going well AND offers constructive ideas for improvement. You are purely negative and, as you say, totally unable to see anything good being done by the club. Your final sentence sums up your attitude. With friends like you we certainly don't need enemies.
I don't necessarily blame people who don't buy STs for our plight - I just asked the question. You say it's never the supporters' fault so, it must be the people running the club. So, let's take them out of the situation and what have we got?? Answer - zilch, nada, sweet FA. They are trying to do something. What are you doing?
And finally (sorry everyone, I'm ranting) - you've asked the club how much of the "black hole" has been filled in and they haven't responded. Well why the hell should they? If I were in MCs position you're the last person I'd share anything with let alone potentially sensitive commercial information. What would you do with it critical friend???
I don't normally rave so congratulations on that. Loads more I could say but I'll stop there. You've made your point - give it a rest now and get on with supporting the club.

MC has sold two overseas and another one has gone to HKR.
Ben Cockayne is off to HKR, for a fee?
Amor has gone to Saints for a fee.
The only one i am disappointed in losing is Amor, as good home grown props are hard to come by but if he wanted to go, you have to cash in.
Seems to me that MC is trying to transfer the overseas before the home grown players.
If some team wants Collis, i would let him go also but as someone has mentioned on a different topic, really good centre but too many niggling injuries to be attractive to teams.

I think the fact we were able to get money for two overseas players is down to the fact that the buying clubs realise the qualities they possess. I can't believe you would be happy to see Collis go, I know you are desparate but get real.
With regards only looking to offload overseas that would be little comfort to Cowling, Mariano, Kaye and all the other UK players we have released.

You are desperate or we are desperate?

The qualities of the two overseas that we got fees for, were that one was looking to get his career back on track and we took a gamble on him and the other was workhorse and not that spectacular, yet we have managed to get good money for them.
I see Collis like i saw Mariano, a team like Wake can't afford to pay players that only play two thirds of the season.
Collis is a good centre but too injury prone or not playing fully fit.
As for Cowling, hasn't he gone to Halifax to combine his studies?
Has Kaye signed elsewhere?
Who are the other UK players we have released?
I'm not desperate, just a bit of a realist.
You should try it sometime, instead of being a know it all.

Thank you for the correction, I will check my posts more carefully because I wouldn't want to bring the forum into disrepute.

It's actually starting to get entertaining to see how you can answer as negatively as possible.

Its not the first time you've slipped up, 4/10

Too late.

Is Agent x111 Alacas? Just a thought. He seems to have so many negatives thoughts he must be a Cas fan!

If you look on the casforum there's a poster on there called AlfTupper whose style and negativity is identical. We all thought he was a wakey fan, but I'd say they are one and the same person so don't know who they really follow. Coincidentally AlfTupper seems to have disappeared from the casforum since your current plight hit the forums.

As a regular poster on that forum I am aware of Alf and yes he seems to have gome quiet lately.

I know Alf Tupper was small but are you trying to suggest he was a gnome or no longer posting.

I am sorry but I can only give you 6/10

My bad, must try harder.

Same old story agent XIII. Sounds typical Trinity. I tried to buy a season ticket in a fit of sympathy a few weeks back only to find the website, having placed an appeal for us to buy them, had it's site not functioning properly, so it was impossible to buy one. It bought me to my senses.

Not "impossible", but "not possible at that time"

HTH

They don't make it easy. Back in September I signed up for a Platinum membership, paid a deposit then gave bank details for a direct debit to be set up with first payment coming out in October.
Come October I get a call from the club - "we are having problems with our direct debits, can we just charge your card each month?" My response was "No" as I have no control over who or what would be charged to my card each month in a 'customer not present' transaction.
I am now told it's not possible to do it via direct debit (as advertised on the flyer) due to "problems with our direct debits", so they are happy to let me downgrade to a Gold membership if I pay the balance between the deposit and the Gold Membership price, effectively turning down a further £100 or so.

"Problems with direct debits" - could it be that they don't want money going into the particular account for whatever reason?
At this moment in time I really couldn't give a stuff. I've been watching through thin and thinner for forty years and always maintained I was "Wakefield Till I Die", well a bit of me is dying.

Kind of sums up where i'm at right now as well.

Indeed. I would like these comments passed to the club for answers. This kind of thing has been going on a long time, not just now mind you. I joined Club 1873 at the ground first time it came out. They lost the form. I did another. They couldn't get the Direct Debit Sorted, they were having problems with The Halifax. It was almost a year before the first DD was taken! I couldn't give them my money....And now it seems nothing has changed.

I stood in a puddle at my first game in 1973, bloody Wakefield Trinity, never been run right!

The way I see it is that a guy who was involved in the club but not actively has suddenly found himself holding the reins of the runaway horse as it bolts down a steep hill to a cliff, all of this with a large crowd looking on. I have no idea how hard it is to resolve what is going on behind the scenes, what kind of mess has been left behind, but the impression I do get is that he is trying his hardest to bring it under control in a way that ensures the horse doesn't bolt again.

There is too much expectation of instant transformation and maybe too much expectation that we can somehow magically carry on as before. The magic formula is probably Glover's marketing skills and Carter's pragmatism. As we have to choose, Glover's marketing skills just postponed the mess for another day, and so for now I'll settle for pragmatism.

We can all have a great time and go out every night and spend what we want, but when the credit card bill lands, it's either carry on and go bust or stay in with a take away.

well said, you have such a way with words ...you should write a book

Well it would make a good read Slugger, falsehoods, backbiting, rumours. I would buy it, wakefield Trinity the true story of the last few years