Wow indeed!
I find it totally astonishing that anyone can play down the seriousness of racist chanting. I didn't hear it and I don't know if it happened or not but if it did/does happen - 4 or 5 or the whole North Stand, it doesn't matter - it must be condemned and appropriate action taken. If it is just a few I'd like to think that the decent fans around them would deal with it and that would be the end of it.

I was sat in the East Stand and once someone mentioned on here about "We didn't start the fire" being sung it seemed to ring a bell with me. I guess I must remember hearing it on Saturday even though I was so far away from the North Stand.

I didn't put 2 and 2 together on Saturday when I first heard it. Now I've mad the connection I agree it was highly insensitive and sick to sing such a thing.

If as stated here and on the Northstanders page on Facebook it is a small number of people. Maybe 2-4 guys who people readily recognise but can't name, then I think the issue can be resolved quickly at our next home game. If Bradford and other fans have turned in video to the club we should soon see an end to the matter.

I get the uproar for singing about the fire, as for the town full of asians/pakis song im sorry but come on, heard much worse at every ground without all this faux outrage.

It depends what you mean by much worse?

Racist chants are deplorable, much worse than assumptions of inter-breeding, jeez there are a number of posters on here who mock the Cas fans for the self-same thing.

Yes, the idiots singing theirs pathetic songs are to blame, but so are the stewards if they were aware of the situation & did nothing, & if they were, then the club are to blame, for employing them.

Correct.

Ah but if the said idiots had sneaked in an opened bottle of Coke they'd be straight out.

I've rarely read so much ignorant in one post, which is saying something given the morons that frequent these boards!

Hearing worse elsewhere, doesn't make it right.

There is no defence for it. It is completely wrong on all fronts and should not be tolerated in any way.

You cant protect your kids from everything. They are going to hear things you don't want them to hear, but i don't want to take them to a place where people are singing songs such as that and it is tolerated.

I don't know what's worse, the fact it happened or the reaction on here?

I'm not saying it's right it's just not that offensive and certainly doesn't deserve the uproar it seems to be causing.

Well after reading all the tripe that some people are putting say you shouldn't say this or you shouldn't say that. It must be only me that has spoken out of turn in my 50 years of life. When I was forced off the road by a Azad taxi driver many years ago who drove off and cost me a couple of hundred to fix the damage.It must be only me who commented bad things about the Dewsbury bombers who murdered a lot of innocent people also it must have only been me who asked why were the police trying to find the three sisters from Bradford that went to join ISIS with their kids it was their choice and then the husbands blamed the police for them doing it



I must be a bad man.

Oh I forgot to mention one of my good friends is a Pakistani and my sister-in-law is a Pakistani also.

I can't believe people have gone through life and not made some sort of racial or discriminant comment against an individual.

Nope. Only the idiots are to blame.

The stewards may have been able to stop it continuing but only the singers are to blame for the songs.

Yep just you. What's your point?

I can't believe, and am really disappointed, by how many "excuses" have been offered by by different posters on this thread.
I think the post by devils advocate - "racist chants are deplorable" is game, set and match for me and nothing more needs to be said. Yes; all clubs will have racists and I personally will support any club, my own included, in rooting them out and showing them as the ignorant buffoons that they are.

My point is people are quick to condemn but have probably been guilty of it themselves in the past by just making a snide comment at some stage.

Well said. No matter how many it was (oh and it was more than the 4 that people are trying to claim) and how long they lasted the chants were disgusting but the attempts to try and justify them on here are just unbelievable. I have to worry about the mentality of those people just as much as those who committed the acts. It is NOT acceptable, ever.

Do you think it could be about time that the United Nations issued a decree that ALL nations could be allowed to take the mick out of each other? This way we could possibly all, irrespective of race or creed, officially have a good laugh without having to look over our shoulders all the time. The world may then be a friendlier place.

That’s alright then, the club can go to Red Hall with their conscience clear.

“It’s not our fault guv, it was a number of idiots what did it”

“No worries then lads, society these days, what do you do, I blame the parents”

I suppose when racial prejudice and hate cease to exist than maybe they could look into that.

Well said.

When I referred to 4-5 fans this was the song about the Bradford fire.

The other song mentioned on here involved more than that.

Think this thread shows that the majority of fans are on the same page regardless of which club these morons support.

The few who are making excuses really need to wake up and realise that in this day and age racism in any form is unacceptable - under no circumstances can you class that as 'banter'

Does Jim Davidson still tour in Wakefield?

Nobody is saying its acceptable but what were Bradford fans fans expecting, if you were from Bradford and went to any other town or City chanting derogatory comments about it you will get the same response. I was once at a Leeds Bradford final when Bradford were chanting to Leeds you're just a town full of Jews (using another term) with Leeds chanting your just a town full of Asians (using another term) never saw anything in the press about that. It was wrong but has been blown out of all proportion.

See above for plenty of examples of internet outrage; you try to keep an ugly incident in perspective, and you're guilty of condoning it - again, a logical fallacy.

For clarity, with all but perhaps one worrying exception, everyone agrees that any racist chanting is wrong - a few people were allegedly involved and hopefully, they'll be dealt with; despite the best efforts of some people to illustrate otherwise, it still doesn't mean that the club has widespread issues with supporters.

Took over when Bernard Manning cancelled

The whole subjects a mine field and doesn't always receive the urgency it probably deserves . views and opinions are vary rarely changed and im not sure the culprits even understand the issues that have been put forward over the past 13 pages.
Thankfully the whole subject seems to be handled in schools much better these days and youths of today seem more tolerant about the race issues.
Attitudes have changed over the years but the whole process as taken longer than many would like. I had a very close friend who died not so long back and his views when expressed would curdle the air. He lived in South Africa for 16 years and I suppose he obtained his dated opinions from the views of many at that time.
Sometimes it difficult to know what you can or can not say without offence or how what you do say may be interpreted .
The reported incidents at B V last Saturday are regrettable and if proven must be acted upon. Like I said you are most unlikely to change the views of people . However the club manage to handle the investigation will probably be criticised by both supporters of such actions and those appalled .
Good Luck