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| Quote ="Slugger McBatt"On a positive, we are not as bad as last year, and no worse than Hull on Thursday (wasn't at the game so going from the score only), and have been as good as many other teams against Widnes and Warrington.
This might go back to what BS was saying, that there was too much attention paid to minor cost-cutting, which must affect attitude. You can tell players all week that they should be capable of competing against clubs like Warrington and Wigan and the rest, and then you turn off the heating and create the environment of a Sunday morning team and you lose that minor edge that might be enough to make someone break a tackle or chase a lost cause. Man-management can be about the small stuff, not just about geeing people up.'"
Maybe some valuable lessons will have been learned regarding tweaking the little things,wether that be the heating or any other situation that arose.. It looks like it may of contributed to the frosties between the two of them..and they both dug their heels in!.
The new coach (whoever that is) will certainly be aware of what's gone on, and it might be addressed as to where..if any improvments can be made.
I agree slugger .we are not as bad as last year,and I hope the new coach is well versed in modern coaching methods and get us up for it!!
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I think Noble has been too comfortable in the "commentators chair" for too long and IMO, he's yesterdays coach.
Apart from that he would likely be an expensive option.
We need a tough no nonsense bloke with plenty of knowledge of Championship players, as I believe this is where much of our recruitment will come from in future
Like you, I've no idea who's applied but, a number of the possibilities, I don't think would suit our current state'"
It doesn't seem that long ago that he was coaching Salford (perhaps it is, my memory ain't what it was) and then I think he was involved in coaching at London after that (part-time?), so he is fairly recent in coaching.
With regard to championship players, I take your point but I feel that is perhaps from next season and our priority is now, let the future take care of itself (for the time being). We require someone with experience to come in and do a job now with what we have.
My personal dream team would perhaps be JK in a firefighting role for the immediate, with a younger coach coming on board a little while down the line and JK becoming Football Director/CEO and holding the hand of the new incumbent whilst he finds his feet. My choice of 'the younger coach' would be Glen Morrison, who would also have the experience of championship players that you desire. However, I can't see it happening, don't think JK would apply, but perhaps he could be asked!
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| All joking apart whatever coach we employ he's gonna need a load of players,folk on here were having orgasms when we signed ben jones bishop who insisted he wanted to play fullback the chairman joined in but I'll let him off cos he ain't got a clue this is the last position you want to play if your soft and he sure is that, we signed a centre in arundel rejected at cas and hull outplayed when he played against our lads at academy level but still given a full time contract with us, a half back in miller slated on here but if he was at a top club would be a success ,we give him a blue badge holder to play with ,then we come to the real problem who's judgement gave the vice captaincy to Scruton a big man with a heart like a pea ,and I've mentioned it before a skipper in kirmond who has no leadership qualities at all a fact that most of the fans can see but somehow the folk in charge of our club think he's the beez knees
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| Quote ="PHe"It doesn't seem that long ago that he was coaching Salford (perhaps it is, my memory ain't what it was) and then I think he was involved in coaching at London after that (part-time?), so he is fairly recent in coaching.
With regard to championship players, I take your point but I feel that is perhaps from next season and our priority is now, let the future take care of itself (for the time being). We require someone with experience to come in and do a job now with what we have.
My personal dream team would perhaps be JK in a firefighting role for the immediate, with a younger coach coming on board a little while down the line and JK becoming Football Director/CEO and holding the hand of the new incumbent whilst he finds his feet. My choice of 'the younger coach' would be Glen Morrison, who would also have the experience of championship players that you desire. However, I can't see it happening, don't think JK would apply, but perhaps he could be asked!
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I think the point with Noble is that his last 2 appointments, after already having been out of coaching for a bit, were extremely forgetful and I just don't see him doing what we want, on a shoestring budget.
I fully agree that JK with an understudy sounds great but, whether he is interested or available is another question.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"I think the point with Noble is that his last 2 appointments, after already having been out of coaching for a bit, were extremely forgetful and I just don't see him doing what we want, on a shoestring budget.
I fully agree that JK with an understudy sounds great but, whether he is interested or available is another question.'"
I would be extremely surprised if JK would even think about returning to WT and quite frankly I wouldn't blame him - I think it was very shabby the way he was treated after keeping us up more than once!
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| We won't pay compensation so expect the new coach to either come from within or be currently an assistant or out of work.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"We won't pay compensation so expect the new coach to either come from within or be currently an assistant or out of work.'"
Is that won't pay, or don't have to pay, as Smith resigned?
Surely now that money that was allocated to Smith for coaching could go to recruiting a top drawer coach?
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| When I refer to compensation it is to a club to sign their coach. I read the names of Kear and Morrison but both are under contract and if they actually wanted to join us we will need to pay their clubs which is not our style. This is why I made my suggestion that the new coach will come from one of the pools of coaches stated.
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| Quote ="Scarlet Pimpernell"When I refer to compensation it is to a club to sign their coach. I read the names of Kear and Morrison but both are under contract and if they actually wanted to join us we will need to pay their clubs which is not our style. This is why I made my suggestion that the new coach will come from one of the pools of coaches stated.'"
We could give them £50 or half a dozen players.
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| I hope that MC has now got someone with a good inside knowledge of the likely candidates for coach advising him, I think the turnover of coaches we have had has done us no favours regards long term stability. MC has done a great job regards the financial stability of Wakefield Trinity and hopefully along with the financial stability and further good news regards a solution to the stadium saga it will give a much needed lift to the morale of the squad of players we have.. I think our future Super League status depends on getting it right this time with the next coach we appoint
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| Quote ="KevW60349" I think our future Super League status depends on getting it right this time with the next coach we appoint'"
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| What worries me is who is going to choose the coach. I would not trust MC with anything rugby related and in all fairness he would admit his judgement is not the best. So who will MC turn to in order to get advice on the right candidate ?
Well MC thinks he has a mate down the road in Gill at Cas, but the guy is a false friend and has taken the urine out of our club with some of the players he has sent us.
Then there is the three stooges. They are likely to choose a mate of theirs who will look after them and keep their jobs secure.
Lets hope we get a good bloke, but don't be surprised if we employ one who is just a baffling as some of the players we have signed.
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| People are asking for Kear back and saying that Smith was too old at 61, but doesn't Kear now have his bus pass?
He was a great servant to the club during some trying times but is he really the man for the job this time around?
I have no idea who to pick or who may have applied, let's hope MC is taking his RL advice from someone with good RL knowledge.
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| Seems Tim Sheens would be the obvious choice, as Marwan has not been as vocal recently.
Leave the rugby to Tim and let Marwan bask in the glory of a winning team.
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| I think it's fair to assume jon sharp, john Kear and Kieran Purtill will have applied. A risky to potentially fantastic move would be Purtill. Jon Sharp would sort this team out without a doubt and Kear could have one last swan song. IMO sharp Kear purtill purely because I'm not sure Wakey can afford a risk in a rookie head coach
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| Well JK would not cost the club in compensation as his agreement with Batley is if a SL job came up if he fancied it he would be allowed to go but some how I don't see him wanting the Wakey job again as he has a nice little number part time coach and media work.
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| I'd have JK in a shot. He would introduce structure and discipline in a side. As much as people railed against the "five drives and a kick", JK's tenure was the last time we were truly competitive year on year. Agar had a good seven games, which wouldn't have happened if Bradford had been solvent, but under JK was the last time I went to games and thought we had a chance of winning.
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| JK is yesterday's man - and his neglect of the youth system is legendary; he would be a terrible choice. Thankfully, given his current commitments, I doubt he'd be interested.
I wonder if Andy Kelly would be prepared to put aside the shoddy treatment he received in the past and give it a go? He's got a good job at Shudds, but SL coaching must be a tempting proposition, even if it is at Wakey.
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| Much as I like JK and thought he did a fine job when he was here, I tend to agree with Bren in that he probably wouldn't be interested this time. He's doing a fine job at Batley and enjoys his media work so attractive a proposition coaching in Super League is, I don't think he'll be considered this time. Of the supposed 6 being interviewed, perhaps there'll be a couple of surprises in there. I just hope whoever he is, he has a decent track record at the highest level, no more rookies, assistants or has been's please, just somebody who can get the best out of this squad and make me feel proud not embarrassed about my team.
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| Quote ="Emley Cat"Much as I like JK and thought he did a fine job when he was here, I tend to agree with Bren in that he probably wouldn't be interested this time. He's doing a fine job at Batley and enjoys his media work so attractive a proposition coaching in Super League is, I don't think he'll be considered this time. Of the supposed 6 being interviewed, perhaps there'll be a couple of surprises in there. I just hope whoever he is, he has a decent track record at the highest level, no more rookies, assistants or has been's please, just somebody who can get the best out of this squad and make me feel proud not embarrassed about my team.'"
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| Quote ="bren2k"JK is yesterday's man - and his neglect of the youth system is legendary; he would be a terrible choice. Thankfully, given his current commitments, I doubt he'd be interested.
I wonder if Andy Kelly would be prepared to put aside the shoddy treatment he received in the past and give it a go? He's got a good job at Shudds, but SL coaching must be a tempting proposition, even if it is at Wakey.'"
Although can understand where you are coming from with your comments on Kear, I don't agree with you on this one.
I don't think he's yesterday's man at all.
To get Batley, one of the "smallest" clubs in the Championship to top spot, when they are against Bradford, Leigh Fev, Sheffield and Halifax is a stunning effort and it shows that, clearly, he can do a great job and we need someone that can work on a shoestring budget.
Having said that, the spend now, compared to the small pile of bottle tops that he had in his last season with us, will seem like a Euromillions jackpot.
The biggest problem would be whether he wanted to go back to a club that gave him nothing and then took that from him.
It would be a major surprise for such a proud man to go back to that.
Regarding youth policy
Clubs like ours, with little brass to spend are never in a good position to give enough resources to the "junior" sides and this is the quintessential catch 22, because without proper resource, you will never get the best results, in terms of enough quality youngsters.
As said, it would be a surprise if JK has applied but, few would be better at galvanising a group of players and getting some results.
Remember, even in an horrendous season, we didn't finish in the wooden spoon position and at the moment, we look well placed
to get two on the bounce.
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| I tend to agree that Kear is not the man this time. If it was late in a season as in 2006 and backs to the wall stuff then yes, he'd be a good short term choice. But we are only 6 games in and need a longer term outlook, someone who will put structures in place to build the club going forward, investment allowing, otherwise we will be back in the same position in 12 months time. JK is not that man imho, he is onto a good thing with Batley and his media work and would not come cheap also. He's done his time here, it's time to move on.
Ideally you would look to Australia and someone like a Ivan Clearly or Geoff Toovey but the chances of them going for it are slim to none as they will be first in line should a NRL job come up. And i don't think JD would uproot his family again and leave a job he has just started to join us in the state we are in, it would be a big risk. For me i'd be tempted to go for Glenn Morrison. He has been captain here, was good as the academy coach and assistant to the first team and has done a good job on a limited budget with Dewsbury. If we were worried about a lack of top level coaching experience then maybe an experienced director of rugby could be brought in to help oversee things and help out MC on the rugby side of things in the boardroom, similar to the Ian Watson/Tim Sheens set up at Salford. Brian Noble springs to mind to there are probably other candidates, maybe someone like a Daniel Anderson.
It will be Chris Chester though.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"Clubs like ours, with little brass to spend are never in a good position to give enough resources to the "junior" sides and this is the quintessential catch 22, because without proper resource, you will never get the best results, in terms of enough quality youngsters.'"
The resources he could have given were time, attention and opportunity - but he failed, and we lost a generation of academy players off the back of it.
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| Where's sun bed boy when you need him to watch the comings and goings at the club while he's doing donuts in the car park
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| A mate of mine at work who's sadly a Cas fan suggested Ian Millward with Dean Widders as assistant to wind me up. Though I would not be surprised, it'd be exactly the out of the blue type appointment.
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