The facebook pages are comedy gold. One clown after another trying to out-whine the other. Looking for back slaps and brownie points within the group and all done with the best interest of the club at heart obviously!

I know it is not one person’s fault but those in charge at all levels had better sort it out quickly or if relegated we will have wasted any gains made since promotion. We are on the brink of a redeveloped stadium but outside SL a lot of this will be lost because crowds will fall both home and away support.
I hope we don’t think that promotion is guaranteed because the Championship is the hardest league to get out of.

When MC et al sold the Yorkshire Traction bus company (which is where I assume his "riches" stemmed from) the purchaser was the Stagecoach bus company which is owned by the Gloag family, one of the richest families in the country. Stagecoach aren't having all that good a time at the moment, I believe, but if MC retained any friendship with the Gloags in the wake of the sale, I wonder if they could direct a fraction of their millions our way. How about having a friendly word Mr C?

Couple of quick points, might I remind you we are not in the championship so your fears are academic and just plain scaremongering, also what do you base your theory on that it's the hardest league to get out of other than if's and buts.

No but I didn’t say we were but it is a possibility don’t you think. If we use your hypothesis then we need not worry until we are relegated then we can look at what we can do but until then denial is the best because no one would notice and to point it out is irresponsible. It is by nature that in all sports the league below the top is the hardest to get out of because of the rewards from promotion.
I hope that explains the situation because you like to ask a question what do you think. I have not problem if you wish to believe everything is going great but please don’t try to blame those who lack your blind faith.

I'm pretty sure everyone knows that relegation is a possibility.
But we are not in the relegation place yet so it's worth trying to win some more games and see how it goes rather than concentrating on the what bad things might happen don't you think?

I have said it’s better to sort things out before we are relegated but currently our performances have been less than impressive. We should look to win more games but we had over two weeks to prepare for Sunday and yet nothing changed.
I would say you are concentrating on good things but unfortunately for the majority of this season and the 4 previous these have been somewhat missing. I am sorry if it disgusts your red, white and blue outlook but it is something you will need to face unless things change and I don’t know how.

If you don't have a red white and blue outlook, why are you here? Isn't that what we all have supporting Wakefield Trinity?

To support a club means you want the best for that club but not blindly accept what we are being served without question. We pay our money but ultimately it is down to those running, coaching and playing for Wakefield to ensure we have something to at least be proud of. We haven’t had that for several seasons but we still pay our money. I would say the club are lucky that they have such loyalty which let’s be honest has not been reciprocated by the team on many occasions.
We all know that relegation will mean many will move on but we the supporters will remain. We can do no more so over to the club to do their part of the deal and start performing at every level.

So what does a red white and blue outlook mean then if not wanting the best for Wakefield Trinity?

Yes it does but for you it includes removing any questions regarding the club and our poor performances in many games.

I haven't removed anything and I've been critical of some things. I just like to see the whole picture and point out good things too. Some forget to do that.

You actually state that "if the CEO knew of such people he would be onto it" IT IS THE JOB OF THE CEO TO DO THIS !!!
So you yourself have said that the CEO of wakefield isn't able to get the correct investment needed,
In what other business would anyone be appointed to CEO if he/she did not posses the skillset to bring in the type of investment needed.
Nobody is saying Mr Carter hasn't done a decent job saving the club but unfortunately we need more and this is quite simply down to the Chairman and CEO to bring in such investment or employ the right people with the skills to do it.
Yes this will be a hard job but that is why they are the Chairman/CEO of this club.
Just imagine if a top business was failing and the Chairman and CEO failed to stop the rot and bring in what was needed,do you think the rest of the board/shareholders would be happy and just say "it's hard to find the investment needed" or would they make sure they did whatever was needed to put a CEO in place that could find the investment

can't help but smile at your posts, I can remember when TRB was on and you nicknamed him Ted Richardsons Bagman after his initials and his constant defending of the club. You've now turned into Mr Carter and the clubs chief apologist, in fact why don't you change your name to MCs lovechild, it will fit in well in your portfolio of usernames from over the years which you real out when it suits. You seem to have a lot of opinions when by your own admission you've done with the club, have no interest in it and don't attend anymore. Your basic aim on here is to deliver snide comments and stir the pot and its become quite sickly. Mud sticks old boy

1) this isn't a top business
2) if there are no willing investors then being good at getting them doesn't help
3) we don't have shareholders
4) just to be clear, you are at best a customer

Again I think you are trying to manipulate what is being said
We are playing in the "Elite" level of rugby league so the analagy with a top business is correct

As for "no willing investors" again I fail to agree that there are not willing investors around the country or even further and again its down to the chairman and CEO to bring these in.
It really is simple business sense.

3 As for shareholders, again that is who a CEO/Chairman would answer to in normal business (in effect the supporters are the o es they have to answer to in this)

4 In a poorly run club yes you are correct at best I am a customer and as such is the reason we are in the mess we have been for numerous years,in a properly run successful club I would be a valued asset who could have input and my opinions listened to.
Do we have a fans steering group that can report to the board ?
How often are we going around the local schools,groups ,clubs Etc..again I'm sure some supporters would be willing to go give some time up to do this if asked.
The statement I heard in a big work meeting last month rang completely true with our situation
IF WE ALWAYS DO WHAT WE HAVE ALWAYS DONE WE WILL ALWAYS GET WHAT WE HAVE ALWAYS GOT.

First of all I'll not underline your point as you've done it for me with the cap locks, it is the job of the CEO to get investors on board I'm sure nobody knows that more than him, but getting investors on board in this financial climate with no guarantee of a return is impossible, simple question would you put your hard earned into a rugby league club? don't bother answering that because you've already pointed out your feelings, he's done marvellously well getting the sponsorship he's got, unfortunately not enough as I'm sure he'll be the first to admit it, and please don't try and put words into my mouth as quite frankly my dear your not bright enough, what I said was that the CEO wasn't able to get the correct investment he would like, not the same is it.

Well first of all I'm clued up as to the pecking order of the management of the club and apologies if I've got it wrong but isn't Mr Carter the main investor in the club, and did he not step down as chairman and made himself the CEO to split the job description to bring Mr Maynard apologies for not knowing his name to give him more responsibility in the club, so nobody has really give him any responsibility, and I might just add that after 8 years or so it's a bit late to question his skillset regarding generating investment in the club, and yes your implying that he is no longer capable of doing the job, you and the other two anti Carter members.
Just one other point to clear up, THE BUSINESS IS NOT FAILING, see what I did there does that make me as clever as you? the business isn't exactly thriving but it's debt free apart from the serviceable mortgage for our own ground due to be expanded and improved, all the bills and the wages are paid, does that sound like failure to you, sorry don't answer that, it's either the coaching staff or the players or a bit of both that's letting the side down not the directors.

No it doesn't make you as clever as me
If you dont think the business is failing well there is no point in even discussing it.
Enjoy the game at the weekend,I'm sure the same points will be being brought up again by xomeone else.

Well first of all I'm glad you've got something to smile about, never had a problem with TRB and if you were a fan of the club neither would you, but it's noticeable your bitterness still sticks out, and if I remember rightly that was your nickname for him not mine.
I see your still as bitter as ever towards Carter, but we'll keep that between ourselves for now anyway, MCslovechild somehow doesn't have the same ring to it as mopseyslovechild does it

It wasn't created to give snide comments just take the mick out of you till I got bored, that's why I blocked you on the phone as well cos I was sick of your whinging about Carter and Kear oh and the way your rocky was treated, which I suppose that's why the character assassination, anyway good luck darn lane old boy

don't bother with the reply it won't do either of us much good.

Once more......we are a small business with limited income.

Anyone putting money in is not an investor they are giving funds with no hope of a return.

We have sponsorship who gain advertising and as far as I know (which I don't really for sure) we aren't doing bad at this compared to other seasons

We are customers, nothing more. Supporters groups are an idea that always gets raised but if you take RLfans as an example, much as enjoy debating on here, I would not want the vast majority anywhere near making decisions for the club.

point proved, hook, line and sinker
Old boy and remember mud sticks

I see somebody started a new thread on the possible return of John Kear to the club, do you have any thoughts you'd like to share on that Old Boy

Stop now both of you.

As I read this, fans are panicking because we are in a hole on the field once more.

There are two sides to Trinity: on the field and off the field.

Off the field is MC's arena. The club is in a better position than for years. We own the ground. We are financially stable (so everyone says). The ground is about to be redeveloped. MC and Mindards have done a sterling job and they should carry on.

On the field, not so good. The only criticism I can level at MC, if I really tried, was that he stuck with Chester for too long, but Chester's good couple of seasons probably gave him brownie points that bought him a season longer than perhaps should have been the case. As for Willie, we don't know if the club finances dictated his appointment, rather than advertising for someone with a greater pedigree. If it was finances, then that is just how it goes. It is hard to blame someone for on the field situations, however, when that is not his arena or forte.

As for attracting investors, there is no such thing in rugby league. Investors expect a return on the investment. Anyone who pumps money into a rugby league club does it as a hobby with money they don't mind losing. So, is it MC's fault no one is offering to waste millions of pounds? Unlikely to be a queue of people.

MC I've no issue with and I hope we don't lose him. I prefer stability over anything else. I just wish we hadn't made the same mistake as so previous years, appointing someone who is really just an assistant on the back of a sacking bounce.

A point that been laboured on here but it's clear, whoever 'invests' in the club will only ever be a wealthy fan. No business person in their right minds would 'invest'. There will be no return on that 'investment'. Carter has said many a time if anyone wants to buy the club for a notional figure they can. Guess what, there have been no takers. That says it all.

Do I think he's faultless, no, he's clearly good at what he does. Looks after the pennies and runs rhe club on a tight ship. He was an ideal owner when we were fire fighting. Sadly that only goes so far, I don't think he's the man who has the flair to take the club beyond perennial strugglers, but as with the point above, there isn't exactly a great big queue of 'White Knights' (cough, cough Eric France).

I'm not sure what 'put up or shut up' exactly means. He's not exactly saying he's either has the cash, or indeed if he did, has any inclination he wants to spend it on the club.