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| Not wanting to get in to a "wakey v cas stadium debate" Cas are no closer to a build than us and are probably further away from a solution, as they are on plan B now and weren't on plan x, there has been nothing built on the site of the five towns park site yet and only an access road planned for the next twelve months, there is no investment in the hedge fund being set up for the funding stream and there I see major doubt on the two or three retailers that have already committed to the site, there is around two years of excavation to extract coal and soil from the site so without a doubt they are no closer to a new stadium than us.
I see the only credible solution for both clubs is to put the efforts in to a shared ground somewhere close to normanton with both clubs putting joint effort to get it done and sharing income streams for non matchday activity.
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| The major advantage Cas have over Trinity is they have a person in a position of influence who will be doing their damndest to make sure the stadium happens. Quite the contrary to Trinity.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"The major advantage Cas have over Trinity is they have a person in a position of influence who will be doing their damndest to make sure the stadium happens. Quite the contrary to Trinity.'"
Whilst that may be the case, and I'm very cautious to nail my flag to the last of Peter Box, there's only so much "influence" he can have at this point.
I think he's done all he can. Cas have a site and a developer nailed down..... Now it's just a case of feasibility and finance.... Which PB doesn't have a great deal of power over. And crucially these are the two things that will, in my opinion through experience, derail the entire project.
Today we've just had some more shiny drawings of our "new stadium" but I'm very much in the majority - I'll believe it when I'm sat in it.
The only advantage castleford have, if any, is that we have no landlord.... Small mercies. As soon as we get told our ground isn't up to SL minimum criteria (which can't be a million miles away) we're in exactly the same boat.
Cas, Wakefield or both.... We can't allow the club/s to slip away. Especially considering in house, both are in the strongest positions they've been in for a hell of a long time.
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| Quote ="DAVE@CAS1990"Whilst that may be the case, and I'm very cautious to nail my flag to the last of Peter Box, there's only so much "influence" he can have at this point.
I think he's done all he can. Cas have a site and a developer nailed down..... Now it's just a case of feasibility and finance.... Which PB doesn't have a great deal of power over. And crucially these are the two things that will, in my opinion through experience, derail the entire project.
Today we've just had some more shiny drawings of our "new stadium" but I'm very much in the majority - I'll believe it when I'm sat in it.
The only advantage castleford have, if any, is that we have no landlord.... Small mercies. As soon as we get told our ground isn't up to SL minimum criteria (which can't be a million miles away) we're in exactly the same boat.
Cas, Wakefield or both.... We can't allow the club/s to slip away. Especially considering in house, both are in the strongest positions they've been in for a hell of a long time.'"
That's a fair summary - and now that WMDC have done their bit, you'll be hostages to the financial jiggery pokery of developers, financiers, retailers and all the other interested parties; which as we've amply demonstrated, is like dropping a goldfish in a pool of sharks.
It's a harsh reality that without significant Council support in cold hard cash terms, getting a stadium out of the ground, in the current climate, is nigh on impossible; and with the retail sector crashing and burning around our ears, any development linked to a retail park has become even more delicate.
Really difficult situation for both clubs - and infuriating to hear uninformed pillocks say "just get it built!" As if many people involved haven't sweated blood to do just that for 10+ years.
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| Quote ="DAVE@CAS1990"Whilst that may be the case, and I'm very cautious to nail my flag to the last of Peter Box, there's only so much "influence" he can have at this point.
I think he's done all he can. Cas have a site and a developer nailed down..... Now it's just a case of feasibility and finance.... Which PB doesn't have a great deal of power over. And crucially these are the two things that will, in my opinion through experience, derail the entire project.
Today we've just had some more shiny drawings of our "new stadium" but I'm very much in the majority - I'll believe it when I'm sat in it.
The only advantage castleford have, if any, is that we have no landlord.... Small mercies. As soon as we get told our ground isn't up to SL minimum criteria (which can't be a million miles away) we're in exactly the same boat.
Cas, Wakefield or both.... We can't allow the club/s to slip away. Especially considering in house, both are in the strongest positions they've been in for a hell of a long time.'"
I don't doubt what you say, but you can be sure he will be using whatever leverage he has on developers who want to build in the WMDC to ensure this stadium gets built. Can we say that for Trinity? Personally I don't think so. There is no SCAG, there has been no press interest in the ongoings in FTP, there has been no need for the council to come out and justify there position, things are rolling along in the background.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"I don't doubt what you say, but you can be sure he will be using whatever leverage he has on developers who want to build in the WMDC to ensure this stadium gets built. Can we say that for Trinity? Personally I don't think so. There is no SCAG, there has been no press interest in the ongoings in FTP, there has been no need for the council to come out and justify there position, things are rolling along in the background.'"
You're right in that regard, or at least I hope you are - any new developments in the district should rightly receive backing from the council, be it FTP, NM, community stadiums and facilities etc....
I'd probably change the last sentence you use though.... Hardly rolling along.... More, walking a tightrope across the grand canyon, backwards, in stilettos, with a wasp after you.
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| This morning, there was a re posted statement from the trust, regarding that that SRW is still lurking, and that there is the possibility of the trust, and his so called trust, merging and working together, to deliver the stadium.
12 months on and still nothing.
Unbelievable
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Statement from WT supporters trust this morning on Facebook
Looks like SRW and his trust are hanging around, even talk of the 2 trusts merging.
Unbelievable'"
Think you may be looking at a post from 12 months ago that someone has reposted.
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| Apologies there.
It was the first thing i saw on my wall this morning.
Not enough coffee yet.
Will delete my post
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Apologies there.
It was the first thing i saw on my wall this morning.
Not enough coffee yet.
Will delete my post'"
Don’t delete it, it highlights the lack of progress in the last 12 months.
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| Quote ="Sandal Cat"Don’t delete it, it highlights the lack of progress in the last [u12 years[/u.'"
Edited for accuracy. ![Wink icon_wink.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_wink.gif)
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| Got an E mail notification of this change of address for the new Newmarket lane ltd, (formally Yorkcourt)
Registered office address changed from National House Etchell Road Bitterscote Tamworth Staffordshire B78 3HF to Banner Cross Hall Ecclesall Road South Sheffield S11 9PD on 17 July 2018
Banner cross hall is the headquarters of Henry Boot construction, might be nothing in it........
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| Quote ="JINJER"Got an E mail notification of this change of address for the new Newmarket lane ltd, (formally Yorkcourt)
Registered office address changed from National House Etchell Road Bitterscote Tamworth Staffordshire B78 3HF to Banner Cross Hall Ecclesall Road South Sheffield S11 9PD on 17 July 2018
Banner cross hall is the headquarters of Henry Boot construction, might be nothing in it........'"
Interesting that. Will Boot take on their obligations?
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| Quote ="JINJER"Got an E mail notification of this change of address for the new Newmarket lane ltd, (formally Yorkcourt)
Registered office address changed from National House Etchell Road Bitterscote Tamworth Staffordshire B78 3HF to Banner Cross Hall Ecclesall Road South Sheffield S11 9PD on 17 July 2018
Banner cross hall is the headquarters of Henry Boot construction, might be nothing in it........'"
Thank god its not Carillion..... ![Laughing icon_lol.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//icon_lol.gif)
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| Quote ="NEwildcat"Interesting that. Will Boot take on their obligations?'"
You're an optimist mate!
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| Quote ="NEwildcat"Interesting that. Will Boot take on their obligations?'"
Doubtful....sounds more like Box just sticking the Boot in again
I'll get my coat ![WHISTLE eusa_whistle.gif](//www.rlfans.com/images/smilies//eusa_whistle.gif)
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| Quote ="NEwildcat"Interesting that. Will Boot take on their obligations?'"
Aren't Henry Boot taking over the Newmarket Development? The new delayed planning decision on that development is due in soon wonder if that coincides with the council meeting about stadium.
Up the Trin
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| zzz!!!
we wont need a new stadium if we are in the championship so it might be a win for everyone if our form keeps going.. .
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| Quote ="BOJ042"we wont need a new stadium if we are in the championship so it might be a win for everyone if our form keeps going.. .'"
ZZZZZ indeed
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| I only posted that yesterday because I thought it interesting to note Newmarket lane ltd had moved in to HB headquarters shortly after James Henry Boot was taken as a director at Newmarket lane ltd.
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| Quote ="JINJER"I only posted that yesterday because I thought it interesting to note Newmarket lane ltd had moved in to HB headquarters shortly after James Henry Boot was taken as a director at Newmarket lane ltd.'"
That is interesting, BOJO on the other hand.....
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| Quote ="Trinity1315"You're an optimist mate!'"
Not in this case, hence the question.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"That is interesting, BOJO on the other hand.....'"
Bojo has more faces than a town hall clock.
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| BOJO42 you are correct, Box has delayed and delayed safe in the knowledge that under previous management / ownership Trinity would go bust, disappear - therefore no need to assist in any way with the stadium. Infact he has gone out of his way to delay, halt, disrupt etc etc any possible stadium progress as these delays , he knows made the club untenable. Box`s hatred and anger towards MC and his colleagues is because MC has achieved the impossible, he has stabilized the club, grown the club, invested in the club, produced a competitive team . This has pee`d on Box`s chips, so Box true to form is now doing his level best to derail any possible progress made with the stadium, its the card he has to play to achieve his aim of the club disappearing. I understand that the council planning department have done zero, zip, nothing since last meetings, every council department that should be involved has literally done nothing, just one guess who has instructed these departments to sit on their hands. Box, Jeffries, Wallhead, Walker, Newcourt, 88M group all sitting back watching the clock tick. All of them praying that we end up in the bottom 4, get relegated and disappear. Not one single tiny step forward since the last promises, season will soon be over, will SL allow us to stay in the hole that is BV.
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| Quote ="bellycouldtackle"BOJO42 you are correct, Box has delayed and delayed safe in the knowledge that under previous management / ownership Trinity would go bust, disappear - therefore no need to assist in any way with the stadium. Infact he has gone out of his way to delay, halt, disrupt etc etc any possible stadium progress as these delays , he knows made the club untenable. Box`s hatred and anger towards MC and his colleagues is because MC has achieved the impossible, he has stabilized the club, grown the club, invested in the club, produced a competitive team . This has pee`d on Box`s chips, so Box true to form is now doing his level best to derail any possible progress made with the stadium, its the card he has to play to achieve his aim of the club disappearing. I understand that the council planning department have done zero, zip, nothing since last meetings, every council department that should be involved has literally done nothing, just one guess who has instructed these departments to sit on their hands. Box, Jeffries, Wallhead, Walker, Newcourt, 88M group all sitting back watching the clock tick. All of them praying that we end up in the bottom 4, get relegated and disappear. Not one single tiny step forward since the last promises, season will soon be over, will SL allow us to stay in the hole that is BV.'"
Why then are we keeping our fans in the dark and not asking them to use the democratic processes available to force the hand of our local council? This is not a go at you, just pure frustration on mine and many others parts.
Us stirring the pot (with the help of the guy from The Daily Star) did seem to actually force them into doing something, even if it was just produce another load of bullpoop.
Surely we cannot just continue to keep quiet and let them wash their hands of it???
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