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| Feel sorry for Bradford fans but this is another week of Admin and they still have kept all their players, thanks to RFL paying there wages its a joke. We were stripped to the bare bones at the very least they have to let some players leave. They cannot depend on the RFL FOR EVER !
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| Don't hold your breath, the RFL will keep paying until they eventually get bought.
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| Quote ="newgroundb4cas"Feel sorry for Bradford fans but this is another week of Admin and they still have kept all their players, thanks to RFL paying there wages its a joke. We were stripped to the bare bones at the very least they have to let some players leave. They cannot depend on the RFL FOR EVER !'"
There needs to be some equality with how SL clubs are treated by the RFL. The writing must have been on the wall last year but was ignored because it was a big club like Bradford and other smaller unfashionable less successful clubs like WTW and Crusaders were already struggling. Think with the amount of significant financial support they've already had they should be showing some sacrifices with Batemen, Manuokafoa, Burgess & Hargreaves allowed to be sold on to pay off some of the massive debt like Wakefield were forced to do. They would still have a quality team if these 4 were sold on.
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| Once again the RFL show they don't have a clue and this is why super league is destined to fail and the Championship will once again be the premier league.
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| Quite agree! The RFL are getting on quite a few supporters nerves I think. They don't have a structured vision for the game, they supposedly had one but Im afraid they seem to have lost the plot, someone needs to get a grip.
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| I think its the administator that is keeping hold of the players,while ever there is a prospect of a buyer they will keep the players until they atleast stop paying there wages,just makes the club more buyerable,when this consortium decides to pull out that is when the players will go.
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| Seeing as the RFL have invested in the iconic Odsal are we actually surprised?
The game is a farce, the sport is brilliant but it is just being run in a bizzare fashion, RFL kissers may think differently but it beggars belief to think how incompetent the RFL are. I am slowly losing interest in Super League altogether.
No rules about ineligible players in the Challenge Cup, the Wigan points deduction / Salary Cap farce, Crusaders, no sponsorship money this season, buying the lease on Odsal, franchising blah blah blah, how boring. Bradford Bulls seem to do as they please because they dug themselves a massive hole and the RFL are bricking it, even the Leeds Rhinos (their biggest rivals) are bailing them out with charity donations At least Andrew Glover bought the club fearing that we may slip into the Champo.
What do Wakefield have to play for this season now? Nothing, boring. Its just not the same anymore, I know the stadium news is great for the club, but I will miss Belle Vue immensely when we finally do leave, I wish we could stay there.
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| The administrator is in charge of the club and he decides if any players are sold.. not the RFL. If he feels the best chance of getting a buying means holding off selling the crown jewels then that's a good thing surely? I'm sure everyone on here is very keen to see a buyer emerge as soon as possible..
The RFL have so far only advanced money that we would receive in the very near future anyway. I'm pretty sure this is something they have done previously for other clubs as well, perhaps even Wakefield at some point.
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| I have sympathy still with the bulls fans but the way the admin is transpiring smacks of rfl bending backwards a little.
The wages were not sustainable in relation to the income and are still not yet it seems the bulls playing roster is being looked after.
If a buyer is interested it will not/should not burn the interest on the loss of a few players to bring down the wages. It is what's required in some respects to atleast run closer to a break even figure and pay off owed monies.
Should be equality for all clubs and it doesn't appear so.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"The administrator is in charge of the club and he decides if any players are sold.. not the RFL. If he feels the best chance of getting a buying means holding off selling the crown jewels then that's a good thing surely? '"
Not if you have been living beyond your means for the best part of a decade winning stuff due to the size of your overdraft. No sympathy. Sell your top earners, start again. The only downside will be the incesent fawning over the Bulls corpse by Eddie and Stevo. Like Lazarus you will rise again but have to put up with a few years of mediocrity.
Please get on with it.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"The administrator is in charge of the club and he decides if any players are sold.. not the RFL. If he feels the best chance of getting a buying means holding off selling the crown jewels then that's a good thing surely? I'm sure everyone on here is very keen to see a buyer emerge as soon as possible..
The RFL have so far only advanced money that we would receive in the very near future anyway. I'm pretty sure this is something they have done previously for other clubs as well, perhaps even Wakefield at some point.'"
The £1.25M they paid for Odsal must have slipped your mind then! My guess is that they will sell it back to the new owners at the same amount with few barriers to stopping them moving to another stadium and developing it.
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| The thing is if Bulls are getting money which due to anyway which is fair enough then the new owners are on to a loser straight away as the funds are being squandered away while in admin. Are the administrators charging taking a fee as well as they need to earn a living. Read in express today that the RFL knocked back first offer calling it unsatisfactory. More like taking the pee. These investors need to get a move on as think the RFL will run out of patience. They have good as said that bulls will exist in some form and more than likely still in superleague. If that be minus a load of points and minus loads of players i say that's fair.
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| I read somewhere that the Sky money was due this week anyway so a one week advance is not something I'll get overly excited about.
Major difference is that the Bradford Baltis are running a team on the full salary cap, we never did. Selling players is now surely inevitable. I appreciate the administrator wants to preserve the squad to preserve the value/appeal to an investor, but there are very few family jewels left to sell. It is what administrators do - sell assets to find cash flow to keep a company going whilst a buyer is found.
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| The wage bill will be massively reduced next year even if we retain SL status. We currently have 17 or so players coming off contract. I'd be surprised if we retain people like Elima for instance. The only players of any value are probably the young players like Bateman and Whitehead that we have spent a lot of time, money and effort in bringing through to 1st team. Anyone investing in the club with any sense will be looking to re-build the club around those players. If we don't get a firm offer pretty soon I expect there will be little choice but to flog the likes of Bateman and some supporters will get what they've been hoping for.
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| Quote ="supercat"The thing is if Bulls are getting money which due to anyway which is fair enough then the new owners are on to a loser straight away as the funds are being squandered away while in admin.'"
I quite agree - if I were a potential investor, I might consider that allowing monies that I could have for my newco to be spent keeping the soon to be defunct oldco afloat, was something of a false economy.
By prevaricating in this way, the RFL is allowing the interim management (the administrator) at the Bulls to continue in much the same way that the old management did - spending money they don't have.
It really is about time their hand was forced - if that means cutting their cloth to suit, then so be it; sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"The wage bill will be massively reduced next year even if we retain SL status. We currently have 17 or so players coming off contract. I'd be surprised if we retain people like Elima for instance. The only players of any value are probably the young players like Bateman and Whitehead that we have spent a lot of time, money and effort in bringing through to 1st team. Anyone investing in the club with any sense will be looking to re-build the club around those players. If we don't get a firm offer pretty soon I expect there will be little choice but to flog the likes of Bateman and some supporters will get what they've been hoping for.'"
There are 2 things here.
Yes, your club has invested time and money in training/ improving players, but it was money that they couldn't afford.
Secondly, the bitterness that comes from many fans on this forum is due to the fact that the RFL are certainly helping the Bulls plight more than they were willing to assist our own.
Do you not think that Wakefield had put time and effort into the likes of Ferguson and Murphy.
There was no advance money from Sky, to allow us to pay wages and keep a strong squad together, never mind the initial 700k loan from last season and the awarding of a licence to a sinking ship.
Your club has enjoyed some excellent success and had carried on paying grand final wages to a basement team.
As RL fans we would like the Bulls to survive but, the double standards that are applied to clubs within SL are an utter joke.
We have become a sport without principle.
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"The wage bill will be massively reduced next year even if we retain SL status. We currently have 17 or so players coming off contract. I'd be surprised if we retain people like Elima for instance. =#FF0000The only players of any value are probably the young players like Bateman and Whitehead that we have spent a lot of time, money and effort in bringing through to 1st team. Anyone investing in the club with any sense will be looking to re-build the club around those players. If we don't get a firm offer pretty soon I expect there will be little choice but to flog the likes of Bateman and some supporters will get what they've been hoping for.'"
It's well known that you paid silly money to corner the junior market, money you obviously did'nt have.
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| Quote ="bfc1912"The £1.25M they paid for Odsal must have slipped your mind then! My guess is that they will sell it back to the new owners at the same amount with few barriers to stopping them moving to another stadium and developing it.'"
According to Express they made an offer which was unsatisfactory. In short they were taking the pee. I hope the RFL show some spuds on this and don't budge to the new consortium otherwise it shows a week precedent to other clubs.
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| Quote ="wrencat1873"There are 2 things here.
[uYes, your club has invested time and money in training/ improving players, but it was money that they couldn't afford.[/uSecondly, the bitterness that comes from many fans on this forum is due to the fact that the RFL are certainly helping the Bulls plight more than they were willing to assist our own.
[uDo you not think that Wakefield had put time and effort into the likes of Ferguson and Murphy.[/uThere was no advance money from Sky, to allow us to pay wages and keep a strong squad together, never mind the initial 700k loan from last season and the awarding of a licence to a sinking ship.
Your club has enjoyed some excellent success and had carried on paying grand final wages to a basement team.
As RL fans we would like the Bulls to survive but, the double standards that are applied to clubs within SL are an utter joke.
We have become a sport without principle.
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This and this.
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| Quote ="bren2k"I quite agree - if I were a potential investor, I might consider that allowing monies that I could have for my newco to be spent keeping the soon to be defunct oldco afloat, was something of a false economy.
By [uprevaricating[/u in this way, the RFL is allowing the interim management (the administrator) at the Bulls to continue in much the same way that the old management did - spending money they don't have.
It really is about time their hand was forced - if that means cutting their cloth to suit, then so be it; sometimes you have to be cruel to be kind.'"
Top word! 21 scrabble points to Bren2k! With an extra 5 for original word used in context and spelt correctly on the forum
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"The administrator is in charge of the club and he decides if any players are sold.. not the RFL. If he feels the best chance of getting a buying means holding off selling the crown jewels then that's a good thing surely? I'm sure everyone on here is very keen to see a buyer emerge as soon as possible..
The RFL have so far only advanced money that we would receive in the very near future anyway. I'm pretty sure this is something they have done previously for other clubs as well, perhaps even Wakefield at some point.'"
Thats because the Super League are paying their wages !!!!! Thats why the administrator isn't selling anyone. Its a joke
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"The administrator is in charge of the club and he decides if any players are sold.. not the RFL. If he feels the best chance of getting a buying means holding off selling the crown jewels then that's a good thing surely? I'm sure everyone on here is very keen to see a buyer emerge as soon as possible..
The RFL have so far only advanced money that we would receive in the very near future anyway. I'm pretty sure this is something they have done previously for other clubs as well, perhaps even Wakefield at some point.'"
As much as i feel sorry for the run of the mill Bulls fan, anyone trying to justify this nonsense is as bad as the ones that caused the problem, ignored the problem and is currently administering the problem.
The reason the Bulls (or one major reason) are in such trouble is that they have not been living within their means, the fact that is has been allowed to continue to such an extent when creditors have not been taken into account is frankly appalling!!!
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| Quote ="Mable_Syrup"Not if you have been living beyond your means for the best part of a decade winning stuff due to the size of your overdraft. No sympathy. Sell your top earners, start again. The only downside will be the incesent fawning over the Bulls corpse by Eddie and Stevo. Like Lazarus you will rise again but have to put up with a few years of mediocrity.
Please get on with it.'"
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| Quote ="Bully_Boxer"The administrator is in charge of the club and he decides if any players are sold.. not the RFL. If he feels the best chance of getting a buying means holding off selling the crown jewels then that's a good thing surely? I'm sure everyone on here is very keen to see a buyer emerge as soon as possible..
The RFL have so far only advanced money that we would receive in the very near future anyway. I'm pretty sure this is something they have done previously for other clubs as well, perhaps even Wakefield at some point.'"
It appears to me that everyone on here just wants some consistency with how clubs are treated by the RFL and administrators. Last year the 'sellability' of WTW could have been affected with the sale of top players but luckily it wasn't.
WTW lost key players when they went into administration (Obst, Millard & Ferguson went to top 4 clubs) and we almost did not stay in SL but for Crusaders backing out! This is despite the Bulls dire financial situation being obvious to the RFL when the franchises were being looked at & the Bulls are still now not selling even one of their SL players to pay off some of their debt! WTW had to put a scratch team together which barely competed.
When the franchises were submitted & analysed the Bulls should have gone to the championship then and they may not then have had to ask the public for £1 million to keep them afloat. They appear content for some other clubs to give them their attendance revenue whilst they await a buyer & chase a top 5 spot. It would be ironic if they won the play offs at the end of the season
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| In some ways people will look at our situation and think the rfl doing nothing helped us get rid of Ted. With all the help Bulls are given would he still be owner and chairman of our club? Does he have grounds for a lawsuit against the rfl for not helping him when he clearly needed it. Did he lose out financially because of this.? It does raise serious questions on how the rfl come to these decisions and how lightly are they made. Do all clubs sign a disclaimer saying you can't sue the governing body if you feel that you are not been treated evenly. There are laws like this in employment but not sure if same can be applied to the RFL and it's members which are the clubs.
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