i see plenty of people are up in arms this afternoon - expecting agar to be announced shortly. some, normally the more vocal and patronising posters are no where to be seen. either waiting to see what's actaully going to turn out, or thinking through how they can still remain on the moral high ground and continue to patronise the rest of us with their far more worthy opinions.

- have people forgotten mr glover and mr elston walking round the ground being filmed on national tv pledging full salary cap spend only to then say, by our third year it'll be full cap?

- have people forgotten the biggest announcement in the clubs history was an exercise to get the suckers to put their hands in their pockets?

- have people forgotton the new 'draw dropping overseas signing' turned out to be semi tadulala?

- have people forgotten that mr elston has litte/no business experience outside of rugby league?

what are the odds that the club announce that the planned ground improvements can't go ahead in full?

what are the odds that within 18 months of him buying the club mr glover walks away citing personal reasons?

it doesn't feel like we've been saved, it feels like we've had stay of execution. we're being run as a small business. smaller than when crafty ted was in charge.

somebody convince me i'm wrong.

UTTER GARBAGE !!!!

Have you forgotten that without Mr Glover there would be no club??????

hardly a compelling or convincing counter point. well done for trying though.

no not at all.

i just think we need to get a sense of perspective on the spin and pr that we've had to endure since the new regime took over. please see above.

his best attempt, should grade him a "A" to keep his confidence growing

You are vastman and I demand my £5!!!
If you mention cosmetic changes that'll just be a give away!!

pick my post apart please. go on.

(cosmetic)

Its certainly going to take some jaw-dropping signings before the end of the month to win the fans over with this one. Though no amount of spin is going to cover up these appointments if they turn out to be true.

You're getting quite tiresome today - why don't you go have a lie down until the HC has actually been announced, then you can pull apart the management of the club based on facts, rather than what you assume the facts will be?

radio leeds reporting Agar Left Hull and PROBABLY going to Wakey

i actually don't care about richard agar being the head coach. the truth is he is a transient appointment: expendable. if it goes well (which i doubt), then elston and glover will be heroes, if not they can be decisive, admit their error and react swiftly and with force and get rid.

for me it’s all about the signal of intent we are sending out. we want to ‘just get by’ and survive. this has been at the core of why we haven’t progressed in the last 20 years. personally if we’re going for a coach that hasn’t proved himself at the highest level, then give nigel wright a go. he understand the supporters and the club’s history, and is bright and well liked and very good with the media. agar on the other hand is a limp failiure.

we’re in it for three years, glover is banking on the ground coming through, and sod the rest, just keep it ticking over until then. until the ground comes he’s not really spent any serious brass. if the ground comes then he’ll have a chance to make a couple of bob through the gates etc, but potentially sell his investment on at a profit.

agar doesn’t give a hoot about bringing kids through. that scares me, as we’ve already lost loads of promising talent.

Nigel Wright as a head coach, I don't think so, what credentials has he got as a first team coach that makes you think he will be success, he may have been a good shout as a Assistant but not HC. How would employing Wright show any different signal to the RL world and fans.

my point is that we may as well go for somebody that wants the job and isnt' a failiure than somebody who has been forced out of a job becasue he has failed.

i'd much prefer it if we went for daryl powell, whether he applied or not.

Why bring me into it.

Not my fault you've been an AG blowhard bullying anyone who dared to burst your bubble. You set yourself up for a fall not me, it's you who overloaded AG and JE with expectations anyone with any RL knowledge knew they couldn't match. If you want to be the big man you take it up with your heroes.

As it happens it could have been worse than Agar, as a coach he is not an utter disaster IMHO even if he isn't the great leap forward I wanted. In fact he may be better with a club like us with less immediate expectations and less ego's. Just my opinion, I'm not in despair.

As for you get of your high horse and join us mortals - don't take your frustrations out on me thanks.

So in your world being sacked from a championship doesn't constitute failure, but a challenge cup final and top eight finishes does. How exactly does that work?

I would agree with the Powell statement but your Wright versus Agar argument is flawed.

agar has had cash for wages, transfer fees (in this day and age) and world class players. he's just about scraped into the playoffs, and beat a side featuring side show bob in a semi final that normanton knights would have won.

nigel wright didn't fail at barrow, barrow is a complete basket case as a club. the madman at the helm would sack wayne bennett.

wright isn't a proven success, but agar has proved he can fail.

Couldn't the same be applied to John Kear, yet he is seen by some as the all conquering messiah. Kear had the same privileges at Hull with except of beating Leeds in the cup final didn't fair much better.

It also matters not whether Barrow are a basket case of a club it shows on Wright's CV he was sacked and whether you like it or not, rightly or wrongly in professional sport, sacking and failure go hand in hand. Whether there are mitigating circumstances or not.

I'm in agreement with FFF on a lot of what he has posted today, his comments regarding the spin since AG has taken over are pretty much bang on and I would beg Wright to come as a head coach before offering it to someone who as no media nouse and who can't bring the kids through. I reckon I could have got the Hull squad through to the play offs even a blind, deaf monkey could with the resources he has had at his disposal. If this happens then it stinks of jobs for the boys and Everyman and his dog has had a whinge about that over recent months.

Course it matters, are you saying that if madman employed and sacked Bennett within a few weeks would it make him a failure?

I fail to see how us allegedly taking Agar as coach has set up anyone for a fall, if he is the best available candidate.
We can only have who wants to come, and after the fiasco of the previous few years that candidate may not be one would like, but themes the breaks.
Hopefully once the club finds it's feet and gets into NM the next time we need a new coach the calibre of applicant may be more appealing to posters on here.
The irony of your post is in the fact that you cannot see past your former ill placed loyalties, being in support of someone who has done more to redress the balance of the previous situations, does IMO not make anyone a blowhard.
That mantle goes to one who swims incessantly against the tide of common sense, and cannot see after blowing so hard for so long in the direction of so much dismay resentment and animosity.
That is not the action of a true supporter or indeed a sane individual, so please spare your lectures for your fellow class of residents.
With me it doesn't wash.

If you are going to debate a point at least use like for like. For starters Nigel Wright is no Wayne Bennett, so to try and use the two in the same context is like trying to say Hitler and Saddam Hussien were not tyrants, they were just misunderstood.

Whether the Barrow chairman is a mad man or not, results dictate whether a coach is a failure and therefore it doesn't matter.

So by virtue of your argument then John Kear has been a resounding success. If you are going argue Wright versus Agar as non-failure versus failure then argue them on a level footing. What about Agar's York record versus Wright's Barrow record. Barrow being the more affluent (that means richer) club.

I am not overwhelmed by the prospect of Agar being our next club, but I fail to see how the appointment of Nigel Wright is any more a bigger step in the right direction.

I don't think that Agar is such a bad coach, the I'll feeling comes from being lied to, you can't turn round to your supporters at a meeting saying Agar will not be coach and then 2 weeks later appoint him, you can't say in the press we are looking for a coach who will bring the youngsters through and then employ a coach who has brought in 1 or 2 over the space if 3 years. I would have given any of a Wright, poching or Franny a 3 year deal with someone else more senior in experience as a director role to help guide them through the early months, by appointing Agar if they do they have basically lied to the fans, correct me if I'm wrong but isn't this the reason why most wanted rid of Ted that and the jobs for the boys mentality? Well if Agar gets the job then the culture is still here.

You are so full of cr*p sometimes it's unreal - up yourself, nay lad you've come out the other side.

Just say sorry for dragging me into a debate I had little intention of joining - go on it won't kill you.