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| As the title says, there was a full council meeting today, I didn't realise one was due.
Did anyone go, the trust? MC or CB?
Did anyone watch it live?
If yes to the above was there anything of interest that came out of it? Did the whole sad saga get any sort of mention?
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| It certainly did, Cllr Box on the attack. Watch it on wmdc website.
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| Cheers I'll have a look at that tomorrow.
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| Keyboards will be in melt down once people view it I'm afraid
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| Brilliant piece of politicking from Cllr Box, it;s not what you say it's what you don't say that makes all the difference, people who see this will have a very different impression of the situation to the one represented by the club.
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| Box chooses his platforms very carefully.
For a public servant, he seems very reluctant to interact with the electorate.
The full council meeting seems a fairly public forum as people can attend and even watch it on t'interweb. However, no-one can ask questions or even speak, he sets the agenda and he chooses his words very carefully, even if some of them are later proven to be less than factual.
He does the same with his pieces in the Wakefield Express.
Public debate and a right to reply are not part of Box's model of democracy; the ultimate self-preservation society.
Can someone who's watched it give a summary of his propaganda speech as it seems the website has blocked IP addresses from Asia.
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| have we a link as I can't get the video up
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Basically: It's the conservatives fault. There was no 106 just a unilateral undertaking. They can't enforce anything until the trigger point has been met. Apparently it's Trinity that wanted the same deal as Cas but it's too late now etc etc. Box is picking and choosing what he says wisely.
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Basically: It's the conservatives fault. There was no 106 just a unilateral undertaking. They can't enforce anything until the trigger point has been met. Apparently it's Trinity that wanted the same deal as Cas but it's too late now etc etc. Box is picking and choosing what he says wisely.
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| Aye, Box throwing Cas’s 106 agreement about saying this what Labour does compared to Pickles half d attempts. He was rather angry lol
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| Conveniently fails to recognize the fact that Yorkcourt have been allowed to circumvent the trigger point altogether, also fails to recognize it was himself that said in public that he wanted 'the perfect deal for Wakefield, similar to Castleford's'. He was getting rather venomous towards the Councillor asking the questions, would love to see him head to head with MC.
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| Quote ="Jizzer"Conveniently fails to recognize the fact that Yorkcourt have been allowed to circumvent the trigger point altogether, also fails to recognize it was himself that said in public that he wanted 'the perfect deal for Wakefield, similar to Castleford's'. He was getting rather venomous towards the Councillor asking the questions, would love to see him head to head with MC.'"
Who was the Councillor asking questions?
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| Councillor Ahmed, who was getting involved on Twitter etc on Wakeys side of the debate earlier. Council say they will defend themselves vigorously as they believe they have acted correctly.
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| If I was watering the garden and caught sight of Cllr Box on fire I would continue to water the garden.
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| Let’s hope his ‘ venomous ‘ response is based on deep down guilt feelings.
Then again some are incapable of that, so maybe it’s fear of being ‘rumbled’.
Still remains a mystery to me why the council are so hostile, antagonistic towards Trinity rather than genuinely trying to help in making the city’s only professional sports team a success , which would obviously be advantageous in further promoting the city.
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| If the stadium, were to go ahead, as per the plans, and with Manni's intentions, of creating entertainment facilities within the complex, and a hotel, the city could benefit with jobs, the profile of the city, and also revenue from outside of the city too.
Add in to that, if the stadium were to be used as neutral venues, for the challenge cup, and minor internationals (we hosted Wales v Jamaica not that long ago)
For me, the worst part of the city, appearance wise, in the past 20 years or so, has been Kirkgate. With the work that is currently being carried out near Wilkos, and the plans for Rutland Mills being developed near the Hepworth, if this did happen I think the area will start to look a whole lot better and more appealing on the eye, for both locals and visitors, whether you support the club or not.
It will show how short sighted the council really are, should they continue to drag their heels on this, and not deliver as per promised
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| If I was an outsider I would find Boxes response quite convincing. He does not however look comfortable , or could that be how he performs at all council meetings .
I have found many of the reports / statements made confusing by both parties and many of the main points lost .
I wish the club all the best in its endeavours.
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| Best form of defence is attack. He is rattled.
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| Quote ="Khlav Kalash"Best form of defence is attack. He is rattled.'"
Could not agree more......just watched the video of the meeting . The minute he starts to make a joke of the situation ...trying to be funny/clever he loses the argument. Comes over rattled and very unprofessional .....
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| Quote ="cocker"Could not agree more......just watched the video of the meeting . The minute he starts to make a joke of the situation ...trying to be funny/clever he loses the argument. Comes over rattled and very unprofessional .....'"
That's exactly how he behaved in that infamous public council meeting a few moths ago, cocker. He was downright edmbarrassing.
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| Having watched and listened to Councillor Box this evening I do think we need to be very careful about taking the matter to the High Court. Councillor Box states that a figure of £500,000 per annum for rent has never been mentioned. As a supporter of 50 years standing I can honestly say I have seen it all. MC and CB have done an outstanding job in pulling our Club back from the brink, we have the best side for years and I do believe that this season, a top three finish and a Grand Final appearance is possible. However we must get back round the negotiating table, we the supporters are being let down, we need to sort out a deal NOW, if we go to the High Court I do not think we will win, in fact there will be no winners, only the lawyers. We cannot draw a line in the sand and say “Bring it on” re a Court Case, it is too risky. Negotiate a deal , our Superstars will then do what’s needed on the field and put us back where we belong!!
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| Quote ="Martin420774"Having watched and listened to Councillor Box this evening I do think we need to be very careful about taking the matter to the High Court. Councillor Box states that a figure of £500,000 per annum for rent has never been mentioned. As a supporter of 50 years standing I can honestly say I have seen it all. MC and CB have done an outstanding job in pulling our Club back from the brink, we have the best side for years and I do believe that this season, a top three finish and a Grand Final appearance is possible. However we must get back round the negotiating table, we the supporters are being let down, we need to sort out a deal NOW, if we go to the High Court I do not think we will win, in fact there will be no winners, only the lawyers. We cannot draw a line in the sand and say “Bring it on” re a Court Case, it is too risky. Negotiate a deal , our Superstars will then do what’s needed on the field and put us back where we belong!!'"
I agree it would be brilliant if it gets announced an agreement has been reached and we will be anchor tennents at the new community stadium at Belle Vue. Let's see what happens.
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| Where exactly did the £500,000 rent figure come from if Box is denying it? Was it speculation or has someone got a direct quote at hand?
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| Quote ="JINJER"Where exactly did the £500,000 rent figure come from if Box is denying it? Was it speculation or has someone got a direct quote at hand?'"
I seem to recall it first being mentioned in an online newspaper article, but I could be wrong.
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| Having watched the link showing the council meeting one thing jumped out at me which I haven’t heard or seen before.
Peter Box States, The owners of Wakefield Trinity demanded £400,000 a year from The owners of Belle Vue (assume 88M) to cover the cost of Trinity paying rent at the Tetleys Stadium Dewsbury. Can someone deny or confirm that
I had heard that 88M wanted £400,000 to cover vital repairs and restoration of Belle Vue which were due because of a lack of investment and upkeep in recent years.
Maybe Peter Box is confusing the two and needs to be corrected before he makes this statement again.
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