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| How much are you up to now? The pressure from below must have forced something from it,not only to survive but also compete. Or are you still no where near the cap?
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| I believe (and im certainly not 'in the know' on these matters) that were not up to cap. I think i read that we were around £200,000 short?
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| Think were about £200k short.
I get the impression that were trying to get the club a bit more self sufficient by wanting a cowd of a certain number before we spend the cap, which is fair enough.
I think with the cap going up for 2018, this will be a challenge for us, but I thibk our crowds maybe slightly hogher than in 2016 and would hope they are higher still in 2018.
One thing is for sure though, we can vouch for this as Im sure Salford can, spending the full cap doesnt guarantee success
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| Didn't MC say in his recent interview that we were 250K below and next year might be 300K and used Wimbledon in football as an example why this isn't sustainable so the new stadium income generation plan will mean we can spend nearer to the cap.
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| Quote ="Eastern Wildcat"Think were about £200k short.
I get the impression that were trying to get the club a bit more self sufficient by wanting a cowd of a certain number before we spend the cap, which is fair enough.
I think with the cap going up for 2018, this will be a challenge for us, but I thibk our crowds maybe slightly hogher than in 2016 and would hope they are higher still in 2018.
One thing is for sure though, we can vouch for this as Im sure Salford can, spending the full cap doesnt guarantee success'"
Not just Salford, just look at the other clubs who finished below us
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| Wigan spent last year according to Wigan today, £4.66M salary cap, not bad considering the cap is supposedly set at £1.8M
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| Doesn't really matter how much the cap is if your wasting it on players that aren't good enough.
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| Quote ="JINJER"Wigan spent last year according to Wigan today, £4.66M salary cap, not bad considering the cap is supposedly set at £1.8M'"
I think that figure includes all staff, not just playing squad and marquee players.
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| Quote ="JINJER"Wigan spent last year according to Wigan today, £4.66M salary cap, not bad considering the cap is supposedly set at £1.8M'"
You might want to read that again.
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| Quote ="wildshot"I think that figure includes all staff, not just playing squad and marquee players.'"
Yeah this paragrath gives away why they spend so much.
Quote Wigan’s staff numbers swelled from 84 to 89 last year, but they also took advantage of several salary cap dispensations allowing them to spend more on players’ wages than the baseline limit of £1.825m – including bringing Sam Tomkins back to the club as a marquee player. '"
Wow 89 staff members, that' s something else.
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| From what i can gather, we're about £200k below the next nearest club (probably Widnes) and around £750k below some clubs (Leeds, Wigan etc)
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| I can't begin to understand RL players wages, how much will someone of Sam Tomkins standing get for a years salary as a Marquee player?
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| Quote ="JINJER"I can't begin to understand RL players wages, how much will someone of Sam Tomkins standing get for a years salary as a Marquee player?'"
Just reading the marquee rule it states -
Quote Each Super League Club is permitted to have one Marquee Player whose salary cap value is limited to £175,000 (or £100,000 if Club Trained).'"
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| Tompkins was on $750,000 AUS in 2014, that's roughly £440,000 now. There's plenty of reports that be he's on £400k+ as a marquee player (roughly 1/4 of our total cap value!!)
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"Tompkins was on $750,000 AUS in 2014, that's roughly £440,000 now. There's plenty of reports that be he's on £400k+ as a marquee player (roughly 1/4 of our total cap value!!)'"
I read that in a few places, but nothing official. Tbh though I'd be very surprised if he was. it's one thing the NZ Warrriors chucking that much on him at the time in the NRL but it's another spending a similar amount in this League to get him back. Saying that for all I know he very well could be.
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"Tompkins was on $750,000 AUS in 2014, that's roughly £440,000 now. There's plenty of reports that be he's on £400k+ as a marquee player (roughly 1/4 of our total cap value!!)'"
Given his lack of form since returning to SL I'd say if he is on anywhere near that then a) Wigan must be bl00dy crazy and b) the rest of the Wigan squad must look at him and wonder why - perhaps that would explain a little about their attitude??
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| Quote ="Fordy"Given his lack of form since returning to SL I'd say if he is on anywhere near that then a) Wigan must be bl00dy crazy and b) the rest of the Wigan squad must look at him and wonder why - perhaps that would explain a little about their attitude??'"
Perhaps they are crazy, but there's no doubting that when he's on form, he is probably the best FB in SL. I wonder if Wigan are going to find themselves in a bit of financial difficulty now that they're not champions. Finishing top brings better sponsorship and more money, which means you can afford a higher wage bill, without that extra money they could be in difficulty if they don't change their model. They were 600k down when they were champions, it's not going to be any easier this year
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"Perhaps they are crazy, but there's no doubting that when he's on form, he is probably the best FB in SL. I wonder if Wigan are going to find themselves in a bit of financial difficulty now that they're not champions. Finishing top brings better sponsorship and more money, which means you can afford a higher wage bill, without that extra money they could be in difficulty if they don't change their model. They were 600k down when they were champions, it's not going to be any easier this year'"
Some might say he is not even the best full back at Wigan never mind SL.
As far as England go, Hardaker and Shaul have both had better seasons, but I bet Tomkins gets the shirt.
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| Quote ="Egg Banjo"Tompkins was on $750,000 AUS in 2014, that's roughly £440,000 now. There's plenty of reports that be he's on £400k+ as a marquee player (roughly 1/4 of our total cap value!!)'"
That was why I couldn't get my head round the figures. Now I know these were only rumours at the time but rumour had it that Rangi Chase in his first stint at Cas was on £165K, I bet Sam Tomkins is on much more than Chase at his best.
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| Quote ="Yosemite Sam"Didn't MC say in his recent interview that we were 250K below and next year might be 300K and used Wimbledon in football as an example why this isn't sustainable so the new stadium income generation plan will mean we can spend nearer to the cap.'"
Yes, and I hope and am sure he will stick to his words, because I'd rather go down than go bust. We have had enough near misses for extinction for my lifetime
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| Quote ="lifelongfan"Some might say he is not even the best full back at Wigan never mind SL.
As far as England go,[u Hardaker and Shaul have both had better seasons,[/u but I bet Tomkins gets the shirt.'"
There's one down at Bellevue that hasn't been too shabby either, and would push any of the above mentioned this season.
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| He plays for Ireland.
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| More for my information really but can someone please provide a list of each Super League club and how much they spend against the current cap of £1.8m?
As many have said we are £200-£250k short of the current cap? Or is that to the nearest Super League club?
£4.6m for Wigan including staff is astounding! How many back room staff do Wakefield have?
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| I dont have the salary cap figure.
Out of curiosity though, the Wigan figure quoted, does that include casual staff, such as turnstile operators and catering/hospitality staff.
During my time at the Rhinos, one of my responsibilities included casual payroll. There were about 30 turnstile operators alone, that was without the staff in the Headingley Experience and Headingley Lodge
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| Quote ="PopTart"He plays for Ireland.'"
I'm sure that would not affect the season he's had for Wakefield, or stop him being compared to the two mentioned in the thread title.
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