news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_l ... 952050.stm how many more time do they want saving we must be able to stay in super league

news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/rugby_l ... 952050.stm how many more time do they want saving we must be able to stay in super league

Surely any further assistance would see the RFL overstretched in that particular department.

You would like to think that this will change things massively for both Cas and wakey, however that remains to be seen and I wont be holding my breath.

I personally believe that they should go. However i am almost certain that the RFL will help them out and keep them in business.

If it was us or cas in the same sort of troubble i am positive we would get no help from the RFL and it just isn't fair the rugby isn't a level playingfield because of the geographical location of a club.

Surely if the RFL step in to save Quins then the rest of the super league should tell the RFL that no existing super league club can be thrown out for any reason.

It would seem to be utterly ridiculous to be seen to be propping one club up yet condemning another - and imo would be challenged in the courts should it happen. Quite a mess - and it gives me no pleasure at all to say that.

as I have put on another thread it would be sad to allow quins to go,

I don't have a solution to their problem but it would be a backwards step for the game in general, if they do close it won't help us anyway we have our own fight to sort out

The RFL's problem is the one where they have announced that there 1=can be only 14 teams and yet have guaranteed a Championship side (Widnes as everyone knows) a place as well. It will take a proper Houdini act for them to get out of this and still look 'reasonable' - and anyone in business will attend to just how important that word is!

Interesting to see how they justify it if they go down that road.

I don't think that Quins should be expected to fund the development in the south. If that is the only cost they ask for help with, then fine. If it goes further, and they prop up a financially unstable club, then the franchise system is a total joke, because they would have let us and Cas go to the wall.

Yes, I have mentioned on here before that if this situation arises the RFL would be standing on very thin ice and leaving themselves open to a legal challenge on restriction of trade.

It wouldn't be Restraint of Trade, because all the parties have agreed to be bound by the decision of the independant panel. It would be judicial review on the basis that the panel had "fettered its discretion", in that the outcome was pre-determined. The new terms that were posted on here the other week seemed very loose, and seemed to allow the panel just to do what it wanted.

Exactly what i meant to say

Many people seem to be of the opinion that this is nothing new for the RFL. I suspect they stepped in financially to keep celtic a going concern and quite a few people think they paid the wages of Noble,sharp and Harris.

here here, a shame but surely we can not go down that line again, but they did it with Wales, moved to other side of country despite franchise rules stating clubs should not be moved more than 10 miles and they put in an RFL advisor in the shape of Steve Ferres, also I heard they are off to Milton Keynes, RL hot bed!

I believe it will be a case of [i"expansion at any cost". [/i
The RFL will do there utmost for both Harlequins & Crusaders because then we will be seen as a national game.
It will also help Sky sell there wares in the south and that will also keep the RFL happy.
We heartland clubs are expendable in todays world of TV & media rights.

professional RL started in 1934 in London, and still is struggling today, get rid now.

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For the sake of the governing body's integrity they need to seriously consider what they are doing and saying. In addition the non executive directors especially Maurice Watkins a Lawyer by trade and President of the British Association of Sport and Law needs to establish the legalities of their decisions as a legal challenge would surely be imminent by certain clubs if fairness and honesty isn’t applied to the franchise criteria. We are of an age of transparency and freedom of information and the RFL cannot afford any façade which would end in the embarrassing and costly saga of a court trial..

The franchise system seeks to improve the professionalism of the game – enhanced stadia, economically viable clubs, stronger crowds and playing standards on the pitch but all this would be tarnished if the owners are corrupt. The Franchise system is sound in principal but it needs to also work alongside promotion and relegation. Help our Championship sides get up to the required standard and any who are champions have earned their right to move up.

Expansion is being used as a word that is divine by the RFL as if it is the advancement that will make our game great. Again ok in principal but not utilised correctly. Work from the heartlands out towards Newcastle and down towards the midlands as an example. When neighbouring counties play the game it is easier to learn and play against School teams and amateur clubs etc to gain the love for the game. We want to get to London, we want the Welsh and Scots too but walk before we can run. Make decisions with the head and not the heart which is down to wisdom!

Sorry Quinns it would be great to have you but if you need to take time out of SL to become viable then that is how it’s got to be.

RFL be very careful at your next step, I would be worried for you if you do not get your next moves correct!!

This is quite expected news to be honest, there is only so much losses London RL can take, everyone bangs on about how we need Quins/A London Presence to survive... Do we? Would sponsor money / Sky money, just dwindle away because of a poorly supported club without a real identity. Why is the RFL so insistent on trying to hammer home the importance of London Rugby, I'm sure there are other areas of the country who the RFL could 'experiment' with. The London project has had decades, and it just hasn't worked, crowds are terrible the team is terrible, and the way the club is run is terrible. Whoever runs the marketing side of the club must either be paid peanuts or a monkey is knocking up ideas on how to promote matches. There may be more kids than ever playing the sport in the south, that doesn't mean people will be flocking to the stoop any time soon, especially whilst in the shadow of the Yawnion team, and the many high profile football clubs dotted around the area.

How much more time will the RFL try and flog this dead horse? Its time for something new. Fair enough try Milton Keynes or wherever, but it would be ridiculous to 'move' the club that far and still expect a franchise. This could prove to be an interesting move by London RL and the RFL, how badly are the heartlands going to get shafted by your next move kind sirs?

P.S. I expect the likes of Whitehaven will receive the same financial help that may or may not be offered to Quins should such help be needed

Good post, I agree in entirety.

Me too; very well put.

Never trust a Policeman

They wont be relegated or allowed to fail. The cynic in me sees this situation as something that saves our or Wakeys Superleague franchise, with the announcement beginning something like ' due to the current financial situation blah blah blah'. On the down side I can see Widnes being shafted again.

this idiotic franchise system needs scrapping and the whole of the RFL need frontal lobotomies, there must be a cure for this madness

A very humble and sensible comment

No chance of Widnes not being allowed in IMO. I can see the league being increased to 15 to allow Widnes to come in and prevent a revolt if Wakey/Cas were to be kicked out whilst harlequins or whatever they will be called being given financial support.

To me if Sky are so intent on having a London presence (as we keep being told), the simple think is tell them they need to stump up the extra cash per season so that the league of 15 get the same per club as currently is the case for the 14 teams.